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#21 Myc

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Posted 23 January 2016 - 11:31 AM

It seems as though the last vestiges of prior conditioning are sometimes a bit "clingy". 

 

What you just said there Alder, .........kinda sent me reeling.

 

To examine the Truth for Truth's sake, making no presumptions or judgement. To attempt at this point to arrive at a solid conclusion based upon experience is, interestingly, (as you put it) a form of idol worship. Perhaps this is the subtle meaning behind Exodus 20:4 ?


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Posted 23 January 2016 - 01:48 PM

I have often wondered what electricity was, not just what it could do, or the explanation of a ::??:: force that pushes electrons in a path. The effect of lightning was probably what got man thinking about it in the first place and since that time millions of years ago, there have been 5 inventions that utilized this invisible force, and that's what we have going in every appliance and in our bodies it happens with chemical versions of these 5 inventions.(maybe not the silicone chip unless you have a pacemaker).

 

I love working with it. It is an effect that comes from somewhere, like the rotation of a large magnet (the earth) and can be harnessed and put to work in a very caveman like fashion so far. I wonder what will the next invention be.



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Posted 23 January 2016 - 01:50 PM

Well, after living in the conditioning, working on modifying it at every turn for all our days, of course it's going to stick like slime.  Forgive yourself for that at the git...   

 

 

To attempt at this point to arrive at a solid conclusion based upon experience is, interestingly, (as you put it) a form of idol worship.

 

Are not both experience and conclusions knowable objectively?  Is not all knowing rendered to object?  Are we not really the subject?  It makes being oneself something more, yes?  What if the something that is more were nothing at all?   By this, meaning without form or quality.   Can we be comfortable as this seer without form?  Seeing what might be made uncomfortable in us by this possibility, for what it is, might lead us beyond all that slimy conditioning, as any possibility of that being who and what we are. 


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Posted 23 January 2016 - 02:17 PM

The Electric Universe



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Posted 23 January 2016 - 04:35 PM

 

What if the something that is more were nothing at all?   By this, meaning without form or quality.

 

I just watched a video interview with a 94 year old man.   He got  to the point of the above quote.  Part of his path to his seeing was to be accidentally electrocuted by a 30,000 volt transformer at age 24. 

 

I posted that video in Pears of Wisdom.  


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Posted 30 January 2016 - 09:57 AM

Hoping to bring this subject back around to its starting point.

 

Looking at the original thoughts: Electricity - what is it?

This seems to have led us to technology and biological integration with technology.

 

This thinking led me to ponder how a touch-screen works. I went and researched and apparently, there's more than one way to pull it off.

One of the ways uses the capacitance of human skin.

Interesting how our electricostatic field can act as a stimulus for a secondary electrical field. Like low-voltage computer relay signals used to trigger larger works.

I'm guessing this is how electro-mechanical prosthetics are being controlled as well.

 

I continue to ponder the helicopters. It makes me wonder if we can build our own "field strength" deliberately. 

If my electrostatic charge can operate a touch screen, what larger works might be accomplished with focus, discipline, and practice??

It is my guess that DP's electrostatic field increased in intensity thereby setting off some alarm bells at the monitoring station.

 

I would like to know more - and in minute detail

 

An experiment:

Are these circumstances predictably repeatable? - The story suggests that this is the case.

How long does it take them to respond? - Repeat the experiment and have someone clock the response time.

Can the stimulus which set off the alarms be projected? - As in a ventriloquist's voice.

 

I like SPS's idea of a faraday shield closet or pyramid. 

Copper sheeting is pretty easy to come by. I may try lining something simple like a refrigerator box - or other large appliance shipping container - and see what happens. Much easier than coughing up the cash for a pre-constructed suit. (Especially since I'm just curious and taking a shot in the dark.)


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#27 Alder Logs

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Posted 30 January 2016 - 10:58 AM

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Posted 30 January 2016 - 06:57 PM

I've seeen this video before, this guy is really pushing some power out, but you have to wonder why its so hard for most of us to do...what us it that makes these things seemingly difficult to perform?

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Posted 30 January 2016 - 07:09 PM

I've seeen this video before, this guy is really pushing some power out, but you have to wonder why its so hard for most of us to do...what us it that makes these things seemingly difficult to perform?

 
Pure b.s

belief systems that is ;)

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Posted 30 January 2016 - 07:10 PM

Why are these things (seemingly) difficult to perform?

Put an infant in the driver's seat of a car and hand them the keys. There's your simple answer.

 

Practice, experience, hands-on application. Seeing/doing is "believing".

One must crawl prior to walking.

Once must walk prior to running.

As with any other skill, it is the seeing which entices the student to learn. 

At the hip of a master, one actually gets to have a hands-on experience - like a tradesman's apprentice.

Once a person moves from concentrating on a task toward mastery, things get "easier" because they become automatic. Like breathing, it just happens. After all these years of driving........can you recall precisely (in quantity) how many times you check your mirrors on the way home while in traffic? Me either. Better ask the person I call "Auto" since he does most of the driving nowadays.


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Posted 30 January 2016 - 07:49 PM

Why are these things (seemingly) difficult to perform?

Put an infant in the driver's seat of a car and hand them the keys. There's your simple answer.

 

Practice, experience, hands-on application. Seeing/doing is "believing".

One must crawl prior to walking.

Once must walk prior to running.

As with any other skill, it is the seeing which entices the student to learn. 

 

I think this is why sleep and learning to OBE is so important,

this is where we learn to flex the muscles that are used here.
I cant stress the importance of OBE, learning how and every day application.

^ I literally cant stress this enough, OBE is everything....
Supplemented with 2-4 a year ethneogen use,

and a every day spiritual/healthy practice.

Its pretty much the fastest and most honest way to evolve imho.

We are literally given the time and space to learn these things every night,

the only difference is how much will it takes to do it.

In the material, it takes far more will.
In the dream space, it comes almost instantly or close too.

Once we master that space (dream), we have enough muscle to start flexing here.

 

In divine friendship,

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-wishy

 


Edited by dpwishy, 30 January 2016 - 07:51 PM.

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#32 Alder Logs

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Posted 30 January 2016 - 10:52 PM

 

At the hip of a master, one actually gets to have a hands-on experience - like a tradesman's apprentice.

 

If I recall that whole show, the guy with the electric hands eventually performed a trick showing off that got him in deep shit with his master. 

 

My master would not encourage any sort of performance.  I revere my master and desire only to be steadfastly one with him. 



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Posted 30 January 2016 - 11:14 PM

I get the practice bit, im practicing using a combination of meditative techniques and daily slugging it out to learn speed and sweep picking on my guitar. It can take 100 days to learn to do this or more... I want to shorten that...

All that to say that it should not take years to set paper on fire, or levitate a bowl at your kitchen table... But so few seem able to legitimately do it like this guy.

As for the master bit, well... At some point you need to cut the cord. My opinion of course.

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Posted 30 January 2016 - 11:15 PM

This cord you speak of; just a thought, yes?



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Posted 30 January 2016 - 11:19 PM

I've never been one to follow some guy around Alder, that's just me. I get the apprentice bit, and I see high value in it, but at some point one needs to say "I'm going to on now and be my own master." Maybe I got authority issues. :)

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Posted 30 January 2016 - 11:29 PM

Hearing one word, one can write a whole story. 



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Posted 02 February 2016 - 07:57 AM

There seems to be a control function here, that electricity and our power system is used as a sort of first warning system against spirituality. Its going to be hard to talk about this without stirring up laughter, but this is real in my life and reality.

It first started out with kundalini type exerpeinces, once I would get to a certain state, black helicopters would fly over about 10 mins after these states were reached. This isnt some kind of paranoia, in fact, it got to the point where if I knew I reached a certain state consciouseness wise, I could literally go outside and wait for the copters to fly over. It got to the point where I would wait for them to fly over and give the finger as they did. Literally, every time a certain state was reached, a fly over would happen.

 

Maybe I'm showing my ignorance and naivety here but, how are you so sure the black helicopters are hostile? You have no idea who's inside the helicopters, right?

 

Is it because it "feels hostile" when they fly over? But from whence does the hostility arise?

 

Again, forgive me for my naivety, but are you saying that human spirituality is so weak, flaky, and submissive that a simple flow of electrons can overpower it? I must ask, what are such spiritual accomplishments worth if they are so easily toppled? If I want to, I can set up my own electric grid inside my apartment using parts from radio shack. Can I use this to control my neighbors?

 

And to truly find out the answer to the title of this thread, wouldn't you need to (1) earn a PhD in physics or its equivalent in knowledge and experience, and (2) solve the "general theory of everything" (formulable relationship between quanta-scale physical phenomena and relativity-scale physical phenomena) that has been the holy grail of physics for years and years?

 

Last words on the subject:

electricity is a marvelous phenomena inherent in the universe;

that is currently holding the atoms of your body together;

which for a short moment in time (the 18th and 19th centuries - see Mary Shelley's Frankenstein) captivated the imaginations and intellects of poets and amateur naturalists (Shelley's more famous poet husband had his own private chemistry lab);

which at a slightly later, less-Romantic date was crudely harnessed into a linear industrial system by our esteemed mass society;

in order that "ordinary" :wink:  humans can use it to banish nighttime from their life, watch internet videos, and keep food cold without work*;

blissfully content in their decision to leave the oh-so-boring subject of what electricity is to a tiny group of professional specialists.

 

*excepting the work done by folks who make the refrigerators, of course... whoever they are...


Edited by Cybilopsin, 02 February 2016 - 08:34 AM.

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Posted 09 February 2016 - 10:55 PM

 

 

There seems to be a control function here, that electricity and our power system is used as a sort of first warning system against spirituality. Its going to be hard to talk about this without stirring up laughter, but this is real in my life and reality.

It first started out with kundalini type exerpeinces, once I would get to a certain state, black helicopters would fly over about 10 mins after these states were reached. This isnt some kind of paranoia, in fact, it got to the point where if I knew I reached a certain state consciouseness wise, I could literally go outside and wait for the copters to fly over. It got to the point where I would wait for them to fly over and give the finger as they did. Literally, every time a certain state was reached, a fly over would happen

Maybe I'm showing my ignorance and naivety here but, how are you so sure the black helicopters are hostile? You have no idea who's inside the helicopters, right?

 

Is it because it "feels hostile" when they fly over? But from whence does the hostility arise?

 

Again, forgive me for my naivety, but are you saying that human spirituality is so weak, flaky, and submissive that a simple flow of electrons can overpower it? I must ask, what are such spiritual accomplishments worth if they are so easily toppled? If I want to, I can set up my own electric grid inside my apartment using parts from radio shack. Can I use this to control my neighbors?

 

well, for one, the un-marked Black hawk military helicopters are well known for being part of the military industrial complex, the true players in the game. Second, I know because they are using helicopters, they are using a technology. They could have just as easily used their bodies. Just as easily may not be a fair statement, they didnt because they cant ;) They need a technology to do these functions . The fact that they are using technologies for this is proof to me. I trust the ones who come with no technology, as they show them selves also. Thats not to say all those with crafts are bad,  I am just keen to think that the ones I see, especially the unmark blackhawk helicopters which are well documented in the conspiracy communities to be of the black government. The comment you made about feeling, yes they do feel hostile and my inner self at first used to be very scared they knew. Btw. its illegal to fly unmarked, why would a friendly civilian break the law? 

This phenomena I talk about, which normally happens when one enters their merkaba, is also pretty well documented in spiritual communities. One forum run by Bill Ryan I think has a collection of some of the most advanced souls on this planet. The people being brought together and gifts are pretty mind blowing. The people who have posted in the past, and present, are some of the smartest souls with hundreds of hours in some of the most advanced human states and practices. I have found many great teachers who really know their stuff at an experience level, true healers and workers of light. Unmarked blackhawks seem to be a shared experience for a lot of people. Many of my threads are a way to fish out certain people who have had certain experiences. At the very least is leads to great forum talk, but many times it fishes out certain souls that the line was cast for. I believe the OMC to be an incarnating soul group that has some of the most advanced souls littered through out. You guys and gals are truly special and many of us carry soul connections that were able to spread out in a different way and still be connected because of the internet this time. This also means its harder to locate but this model is really cool to be honest.

I never said the human was so weak, flaky, and submissive that a simple flow of electrons could over power it. I just made an observation that the electrical grid, seems to be used as an alarm system. When humans enter their merkaba, an electromagnet pulse happens. Its noticeable and can be measured. I believe the electrical grid is watched in some way where when this pulse goes off, its much easier for "them" to pin point where the pulse came from. There are those out there that take an interest in knowing and documenting those who can do these things, and I can promise they are not our friends. I would not like to take part in experimenting with purposely taunting and seeing when they come. I have been asked to just turn the 2 20 amp switches that run my cabin while I meditate, so I do. I often when tripping also. Lets remember, humans have been around for millions of years, its only been for the last couple hundred that electricity was part of our human experience. I would argue technology is actually the death of the spiritual self as it reproduces all the functions you can do but through an external form. After awhile you dont even realize you can do it anymore, like travel anywhere to see anyone. Silly monkeys flying in their helicopters...

We used fire to heat ourselves, skins to clothe ourselves. Now higher technologies are socially retarding humans and their capacity to function or do anything on their own. The progression from not needing technology to even heat ourselves or clothe ourselves before the fall, to now where it is at its pinnacle. Is that not proof technology is the enemy of the spiritual self? I agree there are those who can take the benefits and leave the rest behind, just as those who can take drugs responsibly. For the masses, for the human specie, technology is a cancer to the spiritual self and was designed to be so from the very beginning. To have "knowledge" replace knowing.

If "he" cant have heaven, he will create a technology that will make it here for him ;) 

In divine friendship,

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-wishy


Edited by dpwishy, 09 February 2016 - 11:24 PM.

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Posted 10 February 2016 - 08:02 AM

Well... Now you got me thinking DP.  I have a ton of electronic stuff and a bit of knowledge about amplifier design.  So I was thinking, I wonder what would happen if I built an ultra high frequency response amplifier using some video transmission amplifier chips, and fed that into what would essentially be a ham radio liner amplifier and connected that to a wide response antenna.  Then as the input to this amplifier I could use a brain wave monitoring cap while I am in a meditative state.

 

Wonder if that would bring the helicopters?  I have seen them twice in my years, but I was not doing anything specifically meditation or magick at the time... but this little test might be interesting...

 

Or possible terrifying! :ohmy:



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Posted 28 March 2016 - 01:18 AM

OK I thought of a way to explain what electricity "is".

 

Imagine someone asks you "what is anger?". Imagine something that you might say in response. My response would be something like "anger is a kind of emotion that people have, a combination of hostility, irritation, and agitation, and it usually manifests through aggression".

 

Now imagine that in response, the person who asked you what anger is starts asking, "yeah, but what are people? what is hostility, irritation, agitation? what are emotions?"

 

You see, we all know what anger is, but in order to know what it is, we have to first know something about people. Anger is something that people do. It makes no sense to talk about what anger "really is" without talking about people.

 

OK, keep that in mind and now go to the wikipedia page for Electricity. It's defined as "the set of physical phenomena associated with the presence and flow of electric charge." OK, so what's electric charge? Click on that word and go to it's page, where it's defined as "a physical property of matter..."

 

So clearly, electricity is essentially something that matter does. Just as anger is something that people do. Just as you have to talk about people in order to talk about anger, you have to talk about matter in order to talk about electricity. We don't say "well you can't understand anger except as an observable behavior of humans, therefore anger is something mysterious that we don't really understand". No. We understand what anger is. It's a type of thing people do, it's generally predictable.

 

Similarly, electricity is a certain set of behaviors that matter just does, because it's matter. Doesn't mean there's something mysterious about electricity - in fact it appears quite predictable. "It's just a human thing" makes perfect sense to us. So, electricity: "it's just a matter thing".






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