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#1 TVCasualty

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Posted 11 February 2016 - 06:18 PM

 I'm going to be making a couple of short road trips in the coming months, but where I'm going I won't be able to smoke any herb. And I don't want to be restricted to only bringing edibles along. 

 

It seems to me that the way to go would be to take some really nice CO2-extracted oil I have and render it into vapeable e-cig juice. I've managed to acquire a few disposable cartridges of varying quality in the past (I enjoyed the good ones a lot!) but I want to make a couple for myself and from the math I've done so far it appears it would be MUCH cheaper to blend my own.

 

I want one blend to be rather potent (for use while I'm in the guest room), and another to be about 20% less potent than the first (for when I'm driving to my destination).

 

I've seen mention of products such as the "Liquidizer EJ Mix" and "DBmixPRO Professional Herbal Extract Mix" (looks to be the same formula as the EJ Mix and is about half the price; I've yet to order one or the other). I've also noticed that there is considerable variation in recommendations about how to use it in terms of the ratio of oil to vape-mix. Grrr...

 

 

 

 

So... If I have 1.0 gram of real purty CO2 honey oil (~90% THC, give or take) and a bottle one of the mixes above, how many ml of a 60% THC blend can I make with that gram? And how many ml of a 40% blend could I make (also from 1.0 gram)?

 

I'm probably just going to make a couple of ml's of each as-needed but wanted to make the math easier by assuming I was mixing 1.0 gram of 90% THC oil.

 

I'm not sure how to proceed because of the various units in play (and would prefer not to have to conduct a tedious trial-and-error project). I get the impression I'm still missing something basic (but essential) about this but don't want to risk messing it up since CO2 oil is not easy to come by where I live.

 

I don't know how many ml by volume are in one gram of oil since it almost certainly has a lower density than water (1g of water by mass = 1ml by volume, but how many ml by volume is 1g of hash oil??). It'd be easiest if I could do all the math in terms of mass (grams) since the volumes are so small and I lack precision graduated cylinders, but I do have decent scales.

 

This is a tricky inquiry to phrase (and my brain is kinda burnt at the moment) so I hope I didn't make what is actually a fairly simple question into something unnecessarily complicated (but I probably did, lol...).

 

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Posted 11 February 2016 - 07:31 PM

Very cool project. No answers. Just awesome.

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Posted 11 February 2016 - 07:34 PM

This thread is relevant to your quest.


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Posted 12 February 2016 - 09:11 AM

This thread is relevant to your quest.

 

That's the thread that inspired me to make this one, since it didn't have the specific info I was seeking.

 

 

It seems pretty straightforward to take 1 gram of 90% oil, mix it with 1 gram of e-juice mix and get 2 grams of 45% vape blend, but past experience in various other contexts of mixing stuff up has taught me (the hard way, of course) that I should double-check my assumptions, especially when the answer seems "straightforward."

 

I'm wondering if I'm missing anything critical in hopes of preventing wasteful or unnecessary/expensive fuckups.


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Posted 15 February 2016 - 03:46 PM

I'm not sure I understand then... It's really *that* simple.

 

Assuming you have something that will combine with the oil you're good to go. The above recommended EJ Mix is my juice of choice. I usually mix 1g of shatter to probably 2-3 droppers of EJ Mix. Enough to mix together, enough to fill my kanger mini, and that's it. Done. Vape out.

 

The amount of oil you mix in determines the relative strength -- so 1g to fill my tank means I need 3-4 rips to get my head straight. Less, would require more. More, would require less. It's a subjective individual preference as to how strong you want your stuff. I'd start off with .5g per tank and see how you like it. Then add more or less for the next tank. If you make it too strong you can always thin it out by adding more EJ Mix.

 

If you use any kind of flavor it will likely be high VG, which wont mix well with oil unless you emulsify it. Pain in the dick. Recommend mix as per above, THEN add a drop or three of flavor and stir. Else you'll thin it too much and risk separation.

 

Hope that helps!


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Posted 16 February 2016 - 11:14 AM

Thanks, I'm on it!


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Posted 23 February 2016 - 10:26 AM

Very cool project. No answers. Just awesome.

 

Got my head wrapped around it firmly now, and had to run the numbers from scratch 5 times just to make sure I was seeing things right; the first three times I couldn't help but think "There is no fucking way that could be right!" :blink:

 

But... it was. :thumbs_up:

 

Wow. Just... wow (and that's all there is to say about that for now).

 

I'll come back here and post some of my results in a few days since of course I had to go and isomerize some of the oil for a side-by-side comparison, which quadrupled its potency and greatly altered the juice-to-oil ratio (since following the directions with iso-oil made for an insanely-strong mix, and my personal THC tolerance-meter is already pegged on "max!").


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Posted 10 March 2016 - 03:29 AM

Few days ago I did a soxhlet extraction with izopropanol and some trim,  solvent was evaporated and extract was put in to vacuum chamber to get rid of any remaining iso. After that the extract was dissolved in 50/50 VG/PG mix on a hot water bath at ~60°C. It worked not bad but i tried it on dripping atomizer. For tank atomizer definitely go with the cleanest extract you can get ("shatter").



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Posted 12 March 2016 - 12:20 PM

Based on my research, it's probably best to avoid isopropyl alcohol for use in extractions since it is a LOT harder to purge than butane and it's toxic (unlike ethanol or butane; see the MSDS).

 

Boiling point Butane: -1 C
Boiling point Isopropyl: 82.5 C

Vapor pressure Butane: 1520 mmHg
Vapor pressure Isopropyl: 40 mmHg

 

Copy/pastes from posts at other forums found while doing my research:

 

"Purging butane is much easier and able to be completed to a higher level of purity than iso. Boiling point, vapor pressure etc. are all much more favorable for butane than iso as far as performing an extraction. Butane is also much less harmful to humans than iso. Inhaling butane has more or less no adverse effects (check the msds), iso is much worse."

 

One guy concluded: "Double the terps retained by bho on average browsing test results, MUCH lower and well below safe limits when butane is used as oppose to alcohol and butane is a much safer (for your body) substance (see: msds). Can't find many reports for ISO, the only 3 residual for alcohol showed 12,000-18,000ppm (out of a safe 5,000ppm daily) which is more than alarming."

 

Residual solvent test results isopropyl (>12,000 ppm): http://analytical360...archived/127456(again, it's only one test, but a lack of data for iso in general isn't reassuring)

 

Residual for ethanol: (>18,000 ppm): http://analytical360...archived/139817(while higher than iso, ethanol is far less problematic. Heck, I even drink the stuff on occasion...).

 

Even butane cannot be completely purged from the oil, but at least butane isn't bad for you unless it's concentrated enough to explode (or asphyxiate you by displacing oxygen). Residual for BHO (~1000 ppm, and that was the highest residual amount for BHO the poster had found; also note the higher terpene retention than alcohol extracts): http://analytical360...archived/138217

 

So while using butane is generally is the most dangerous way to make an extract, using alcohol appears to result in having the highest potential for leaving behind high levels of residual solvent. Given a choice, I'd definitely prefer to consume an ethanol-based extract over an iso-based (assuming there's no CO2 oil around, of course).

 

 

 

 

As far as vaping it, VG is problematic with extracts due to being very difficult to keep mixed for very long and unless the mixer juice has PEG (polyethylene glycol) in it, it will eventually separate from the extract (even from a 100% PG juice, though it might take a while). The mixes sold specifically for extracts like "EJ Mix" and "DB Mix" are both blends of two weights of PG and some PEG, which emulsifies hash oil best (and results in a mix that doesn't separate). I went with DB Mix based on prices and many reviews.

 

I'm on my fourth mini test-batch of experiments and have pretty much nailed it down (the one I'm working on today will hopefully be the winner).

 

From what I've done so far, I'd have to say that Winterizing your extract is critical to making a good vape-able hash oil mix that doesn't clog up or make you cough your lungs out. I've made a straight extract/DB Mix blend, an isomerized and decarboxylated extract/DB Mix blend, and an isomerized, decarboxylated, and winterized extract/DB Mix blend (which was beautiful, almost too potent, and no-cough smooth even with monster hits). By the end I'd lost ~16% of the starting weight of the extract after all the processing, but the potency boosts more than made up for it.

 

It's taken me a while to get to this point since I had to wait on a new heavy, ceramic Buchner funnel setup to arrive to make Winterizing a lot easier (a thick ceramic funnel like a CoorsTek brand is ideal since the high thermal mass keeps the alcohol cold during filtration so long as you remember to chill the funnel in the freezer ~24 hours before using it).

 

For my next test I'm going to boost the ratio of DB Mix to extract up to 4:1 since 3:1 was still a bit too potent for my purpose, which is vaping in public when I generally only want incremental boosts in my buzz or to sustain a comfortable level all day (when I just want to get totally blasted in one hit I'll break out my new ceramic temp-controlled Kiln vaporizer and vape a dab of straight extract processed as above but not mixed with any DB Mix, which is awesome).

 

I'll probably never hit another titanium dab-nail again now that I'm becoming familiar with ceramic-coil vapes; a dab the size of a grain of rice makes one enormous hit off a hot nail (with most of it exhaled into the air, not absorbed in our lungs!) but I get 4 or 5 great hits from the same amount vaped in a Kiln and each one is as good as the one big hit off the traditional nail.

 

Thanks to good post-harvest processing and recent technological developments I'm stretching my hash/weed-budget farther than I ever thought possible, while actually "smoking" very little plant material anymore (I definitely still enjoy smoking top-shelf, well-cured bud on occasion but the times they are a changin' and now the best time of day IMO is 7:10, not 4:20!).


Edited by TVCasualty, 12 March 2016 - 12:27 PM.

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