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#21 Myc

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Posted 29 March 2016 - 08:23 AM

When you're looking for devices which "gobble" excess electricity......

 

The technical term is "Load Bank"

This may help you in future searches.


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Posted 31 March 2016 - 08:34 PM

OK... I got some stuff in my shopping cart..

 

I have a feeling I might be able to get away with some smaller equipment though... specifically

the invertor... but I don tknow yet... head started spinning with all this Solar jive again.. so im talking a break for

today.

 

but this is what I got in mind so far...

I needa really iron out the final details.

 

 

 

Panels -  4 of these babies.

Specifications:

  • Nominal power: 255 Watts
    Watt class sorting: -0/+5 Watts
    Vmp: 30.5 Volts
    Voc: 37.6 Volts
    Imp: 8.42 amps
    Isc: 8.95 amps
    Module efficiency: 15.5%
    Dimensions: 65.55" x 39.02" x 1.5"
    Weight: 39.68 lb.
 

Batteries - 2 of these, debating on getting 4 so I can do a 24volt battery bank....

but thats another $1600... and more shipping cost... MEH

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MPPT Charge Controller- gunna go with the 200volt because they are outta stock on the 150.

and they are the same price...

Specifications:

  • 12V to 72V Battery Charging
  • Built-in Ground Fault and Arc Fault Protection
  • Internet Ready Via Ethernet
  • Additional Communication Via RS232 and USB
  • 20 Megabytes of Data Logging Storage
  • Remote Monitoring Via Internet
  • Supports up to 2 displays (up to 1000 feet away)
  • Comes With a Battery Temperature Sensor
  • 5 Year Manufacturer's Warranty
  • Made In The USA!

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Inverter

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So far, it looks like ill have A LOT of room for expansion...

But Im still spinning over here lol...

 

There are so many little things I need.


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#23 Il19z8rn4li1

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Posted 01 April 2016 - 02:59 PM

Fuck yea... OK so.. Finally found a LOCAL solar place that is a distributor.

They're only a hour away from me too, so HELLS YEA, saved me around 600 clams. 

 

 

Talked to the guy for a good half hour on the phone.  He's SOLD his first panel like 20 yrs ago lol. 

I pretty much expressed to him everything that I have expressed here in regards to how people

hoard information or why there are not that many STRAIGHT FORWARD answers on the net and he

totally agreed.

 

 

Also, asked him if the solar industry is one that when you buy things, "You get what you pay for"? 

and he said, "absolutely 100% you get what you pay for"

 

 

 

Pretty stoked about this actually, because he might be a pretty good connect to have for the future.

Might even think about starting up small installation business specifically for setting up someones

PERSONALLY AQUAPONIC GREENHOUSE !!!!! :P

 

 

Like that shit :) 

All comes complete with a POWER SHED, the building that stores all the batteries and renewable energy

components.

 

 

Great stuff :)

 

Should be sometime next week Ill be driving home with a truck load of solar equipment !!!


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#24 Il19z8rn4li1

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 11:42 AM

Disclaimer thats worth mentioning for anyone looking to BUILD things on their "property"

 

in short...

 

if you dont have a private backyard area that is hidden from public view points, go thru the work

to double check your local ordinances.



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Posted 04 April 2016 - 12:37 PM

I am excited to see this . I get a good feeling when people do for themselves and save money.
Solar lasts  for decades.

Good luck setting up Aquaponic  greenhouses.

Its wrong that we need privacy fences, what we do in our back yards no one biz.


 


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Posted 04 April 2016 - 12:48 PM

I am excited to see this . I get a good feeling when people do for themselves and save money.
Solar lasts  for decades.

Good luck setting up Aquaponic  greenhouses.

Its wrong that we need privacy fences, what we do in our back yards no one biz.


 

 

 

Thanks brother man :) 

Im really stoked too lol, not gunna lie.. all giddey :D

I gotta set up a space to store the equipment while I build the shed portion to house everything...

 

 

Yea, thats why im spending the money on the top of not near top quality equipment, warranties and all

the bells and whistles.

It shouldnt need anything buy monthly maintenance thats like maybe an hour worth of stuff to do.

Then after like 5-8 yrs I should be then starting to look into replacing some stuff or just

starting watching even more closely.

 

 

This is pretty important for the fish, because my neighbors house NEXT DOOR, and all the people in that direction

down the street, had their power go out for fucking 5 HOURS!!!!!

Some how I missed that sword, because Im about damn sure that I would have lost at least half my fish

if that happened to hit my house too... Talk about fortunate, energies working with me thankfully. 

 

So goal for gettnig this solar finished is 1 month... well see...

 

 

 

I plan on getting the whole weather system stuff too, :)  Im going to have my own damn weather data for MY SPOT hehe

To have all that info saved and graphed and charted and just put into spread sheets, is just something I feel is so important and

valuable, for me at least.

 

 

yea the privacy stuff is reality though. 

This year im putting in three 4x4ft raised beds for timber bamboo to block the view from the street 100% :P

Then i get the added bonus of the bamboo... building with it... using as trellis, selling it.. bird habitat, beneficial bugs habitat,

EXTREMELY diverse population of lacto bacteria(bamboo is a grass typically), wind break and loads more benefits im sure. 


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Posted 26 April 2016 - 09:03 AM

Ok, I almost have everything I need for the system on hand.

 

Went yesterday and picked up majority of everything I need.

 

panels,

Inverter

batteries

MPPT

etc..etc..

 

I just need a few more cables, lug ends, hammer crimper and im golden.

Then time to fab up the panel mount. 

 

 

Pretty much gunna wire up my system similar to this... adding any other

additional redundant breakers if need be and disconnects. 

The schematic is pretty crude... but not as crude as the one the guy at the 

solar shop drew up for me.. (hes like, its a lil crude... i look at him like.. REALLY??? lol)

 

But its a good gist of things.

 

 

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Posted 28 April 2016 - 09:58 AM

ok everyone, another quick update without pics lol...

(I hope people dont think im all bullshit or what not regarding this stuff

since I dont got many pics yet.... to those that think that... its ok, its not your

fault you cant hear the music and you see me dancing :P) hahah

 

 

OK... so moving the batteries today with my lil machine, damn things weigh 120lbs EACH!!!

I bought 8 batteries lol, good thing i only gotta hoof them about 20-30ft to their holding spot while 

I built their temporary housing.. yea.. temp.. i know.. but im about 100% outta space with

all my projects..serious organizing is in order.

 

@myc - lol I ended up going with 6x 235watt panels and 8x 6v/370aH trojan smart carbon batteries.

Some 17k watts TOTAL, not all usable though of course.   So to say the least, since I saved

so much from not having to pay for shipping and the fact that the batteries came out to be

around 130 clams cheaper locally compared to online, I ended up with a MUCH LARGER

system lol...

 

My budget has been busted too btw... I gave myself a maximum budget and I believe im going to be hitting

it no doubt, but over all, Id say im only going to be around 500 to 1000 clams OVER budget, not to bad...

 

 

Only reason for that was because I didnt anticipate the structural requirement for the 

pole mounting system i want for the panels.

 

 

Check this baby out.

 

http://www.ebay.com/...EMAAOSwhcJWNndC

 

 

 

I was looking at pole mounts, found one that wasnt tracking for 400 clams, then I found that

one above for around 700 clams... 

 

after looking up what is required for that footer for the pole, WHOA, never built footers before lol.

I needa make a 3x3ft hole and cement a 6inch steel pole into it, thats roughly a yard of concrete,

which that ALONE will cost around 300 clams!!!

 

So i look at it like this.. non tracking mount will still need that footer... and it will be around 700... 

for another 300 clams, I can have a tracking PV array, which would most likely benefit me greatly

because of my area, average 4-5 hrs of sun a day here...

 

 

So i was thinking my mounting system was going to run around 500, but in reality it came to a grand...

Thats where my major budget bust came from, the mounting system.

 

 

Over all... ballpark price for my entire system, around 8 grand, 6500 of it was already spent. 

 

 

asked guy at solar store,

"So ballparking it, about what can this system handle comfortably?" 

 

Solar guy.

"um... this can pretty much run a house" 

 

 

 

lol

 

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some people could/would say...
"why didnt you just spend 2 grand on a nice generator to run the greenhouse when power kicks off?"
 
the answer to that question isnt short, but to make it short... the maintenance on the solar
system will be less then a combustion engine that I would have to rely on to automatically
turn on when power goes out.
 
I didnt want the sound of an engine turning on randomly through day and night.

life span for the system is some 15 yrs easy...

and the biggest reason, I like this stuff and its a fun hobby.

 

I probably could have saved a bunch by going with a generator...

but those just are not as interesting as an entire solar setup lol. 

 

 

 

edit -1

Currently looking up structural diagrams or calculators or math regarding

pole strengths...

talk about having to filter thru the chaff lol

 

 

good site.  Serious foundation for pole mounts lol... but worth it imo.. keeps it off the ground.

Not to mention, the pole itself is an EPIC GROUNDING ROD that ill be using.

At least, ill make sure that I am able to use it as an additional grounding point.

http://www.homepower...8_pg28_Schwartz


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Posted 04 May 2016 - 11:32 AM

holy shit, i didnt think it was going to be this hard to locate a

 

Structural Grade

8inch diameter

16 ft long

Sch40 thickness

Galvanized Steel pipe....

 

MEH!!!  Im pretty much up shit creek at this moment..

 

 

AND IM OUT OF ROLLING PAPERS!!! lol

 

 

 

 

warning to those that ever plan on making a solar setup.

 

If you want your panels off the ground, away from theft and in a safer location, youll want

to go with top of pole mount or root mount.

 

 

Now, depending on how many panels you have, TPM will be cheaper then roof mount. 

Youll be able to use a tracker with a TPM.

 

down side... you gotta locate some pretty serious sized pipe in order to have a

sturdy pole for the panels.

this requires taking into account

 

averages for

 

snow load

wind gusts

and soil composition.

 

for my future 12 panel setup im required to have at least

a 8inch pipe that is at least 6ft below grade in a concrete footer 

that is roughly 2 cubic yards. 

 

My footer is going to be around 1.8 cubic yards of concrete,

 

6ft deep hole

40x40inch

 

 

just for the pole and concrete alone looking at around 700 clams.

and that doesnt even include the MOUNT!!

 

mount is another 700 bones.

 

 

So just the footer, pole and mount is around 1400 clams.

 

I underestimated that baby by 900 green backs lol damn it jim....

 

oh well... gotta do it right.

 

 

Good article i found for this stuff.

 

http://www.homepower...8_pg28_Schwartz

 

 

EDIT -

 

Ok found both pipes now...

 

but for the galvanized I need to buy the full 21ft stick of pipe... Cost 600 bucks

 

or

I can get teh normal steel pipe, 16ft cut to length for 250 bucks.. add 30bucks for

some paint...

 

normal pipe should last 20 yrs easy...

 

the galvanized pipe id be able to reuse even after 20-30 yrs though...

 

 

decisions... decisions... lol  SOB im torn... its either spend 2x the amoutn

and know ill be able to use that pipe again in the FAR FUTURE "IF" i want/need to, 25+ yrs

 

or save 50% now and have a setup that will surely last 20 yrs...


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Posted 04 May 2016 - 04:54 PM

Hot Dang Brother!!!

 

17KW - Whistles............yep, you can power the house on that. 

 

I'm especially grateful that you are discussing budget.  Having only installed - but never purchased - this equipment, I had no idea what the break-down looks like.

 

I'm glad you found your pipe. I was going to suggest contacting a welding supply if you couldn't find a metals distributor in your area. I have a friend who is a welder so he did what you intend to do. He set up his own pole base and purchased a ready-made system to insert and utilize. That tracking mount you linked is a freaking BEAST !!! Talk about catching some sun - and wind, snow - you're going into this with your eyes wide open for sure. 

 

My system will be a fixed, roof-mount system. No optimization for the equinoxes - no tracking capability.  I'm hoping to squeeze at least 12 panels in at first with the allowance for future battery storage and automatic transfer switch. The first iteration will (by necessity) be a utility grid inter-tie system with no batteries. I will be anxious to hear of how your batteries perform over time - how they are to maintain, etc. 



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Posted 04 May 2016 - 06:49 PM

I really hope that the tracker will be beefy enough.
I guess the pivot point is the most important and has some
immense force there with snow loads and wind gusts.

In my area I gotta account for 30psf for both wind and snow load.

With my 12 panel final intentions having a square footage of 220sq ft.

Just the wind + snow load extreme cases scenario needs to be rated for
like 13,500 lbs... lol 10ft up in the air.

The pole will handle it fine.

@myc you ever deal with top of pole mounts?

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Posted 05 May 2016 - 03:20 PM

@myc you ever deal with top of pole mounts?

 

 

Yes.

The welder friend bought a pre-constructed unit. This pre-constructed unit was attached to a mounting base for which he was responsible for constructing.

His unit supports 6 cells in total. Fixed array - no optimization capability (tilt, tracking, etc.)



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Posted 05 May 2016 - 05:03 PM

Great thread Numbers! Thanks for sharing your solar adventure.

I would love to do a solar set up some day for a dry cabin.

Keep up the good work brother :)

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Posted 05 May 2016 - 07:44 PM

I always wondered why you can't use something like an old/wrecked hybrid car battery. I think the one in our prius is something like 40-50kwh. I know you can buy the cells individually these days.

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Posted 06 May 2016 - 09:38 PM

I always wondered why you can't use something like an old/wrecked hybrid car battery. I think the one in our prius is something like 40-50kwh. I know you can buy the cells individually these days.

You can from any of those cars.

You'd be able to mix the lithiums.

You gotta account your time spent into making and fabricating everything though, which can get pretty intense.

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Posted 13 May 2016 - 03:30 PM

got the pipe.



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Posted 16 May 2016 - 02:54 PM

Ok. 

 

so going to go with the eBay mount.

chatted with the guy on the phone for a bit today and seemed to be a pretty straight forward guy.

 

The order will go in tonight, it will take about 2 weeks to get it to me, he has to fabricate the portion

that attaches to the pole.

 

Thnk hes goign to do a slip mount, that slide inside the pipe and then ill run a few bolts through it all, probably 3 or 4 bolts...

would rather go over board, dont want that sucker twisting on me. 

 

 

Ill be updating as I go along.

 

Project taking longer because Im doing a shit load of other projects all at once, slow and steady wins the race. 


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Posted 01 August 2016 - 07:55 AM

Bump for a project update.

Any progress?

 

I'm getting ready to purchase a system and think of this thread often.



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Posted 01 August 2016 - 11:24 AM

yes, with everything else besides the solar :P

 

long story short..

my neighbor BEHIND ME is also neighbors with my SIDE NEIGHBOR.

Im friends with EVERYONE... but those 2 neighbors hate eachother, (both women...and both in the medical field lol)

 

SO.. the back neighbor put a fence up, right... well apparently her fence is 6ft 2in while the allowed city

"code" is 6ft.

 

YOu can see where this is going im sure...

THe other neighbor lady took this as her oppurtunity to just CONTINUE their

bitching... just to bitch imo... lol 

Mind you, she fucking LOVES everything I do ... lol  Who doesnt love free food :P  MWUAHAAH

 

So now she tells me... shes going to call teh citty on her about teh fence and have them come out and check it out.

 

I think to myself as I talk to her... "You some of a bitch.. why would you do that lol" 

 

 

That was like.. over a month ago.  The neighbor next door got her property surveyed even, and the fence

was EXACTLY where its allowed to be lol.  I smirked at that hahah She spent $1500 on a survey... meh

the things people do to just try to make others lives miserable.

 

 

You knwo though, I tell her, the side neighbor, that if she just continues the retarded bullshit...

that retarded bullshit is just going to follow you forever...

 

 

 

Needless to say, she seems to not give a fuck anymore..  which in short is exactly what I kinda told her ahhah like..

so what...

 

 

 

a 100+ sq ft solar panel array that is going to be 10ft in the air, would really draw the city people to my yard and not that

2inch over height fence. 

 

 

 

How the things I do are so "out of the norm" and it always attracts every form of being lol  its a curse and gift all at once

 

 

 

Shit is still rolling nicely though. 



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Posted 01 August 2016 - 02:52 PM

Oh yea.

Ended up going with the dual axis tracking mount. Rough final price just for the mount that can handle 12 panels that are 40x66inch big came to 3 grand.

I had to go that route because I have zero ground space for any other panels in my yard, so I had to bite the bullet and get the tracker so I can gain some extra power.




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