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[rw3iss]

Hi! Totally new here. Have been doing a lot of research lately and am about to start a grow of some spores. I used to live with a friend who grew them, and I like gardening, so I feel I'm a totally qualified noob :-).

 

Anyway, I'm wondering if anyone can please elucidate what the prefix 'PES' means that I see on all the spore suppliers websites?

 

[MLBjammer]

PES is an acronym for Pacifica Exotica Spores.  They were a vendor who sold both the Hawaiian (PESH) and Amazon (PESA) cubensis strains.  I hope that helps. 

[wharfrat]

welcome to topia

[dead_diver]

MLB was close...Pacific Exotic Spora. They were one of the first companies to offer spores in High Times magazine. For the longest time it was just them and the Homestead mushroom kit that were the main suppliers of spores to the masses. PESH was Sporas "Hawaiian" strain of Cubensis. Only problem is Cubensis didn't grow naturally in Hawaii. It is thought that the spores were actually from a Florida strain collected near G'ville. I don't know if I agree with that because Hawaiians usually have a distinct point on the caps similar to the point on an acorn, especially in young specimens. Most of the shrooms I have encountered in the wilds of Florida have a flatish cap with no point. PESH and PESA are both excellent strains though IMO.

[rw3iss]

Awesome, thanks for the welcome and education :-)

I went with B+, Brazilian, and Penis Envy syringes to begin with. Maybe I'll try the Amazonian and Thai strains next. Will see how things go :-)

 

[Funkazitaki]

Are you referring to the umbo when you say it has an acorn like point? Is there a psilocybe species indigenous to the Hawaiian Islands?

[Heirloom]

rw3iss, welcome.  like your question.

Funk I like that umro point, I think its pretty.
 

[dead_diver]

Are you referring to the umbo when you say it has an acorn like point? Is there a psilocybe species indigenous to the Hawaiian Islands?

Yes, that's what I'm referring to.

I think psilocybe species grow just about everywhere except in the artic circles.

[Funkazitaki]

In that case...I would venture to say if you looked hard enough you could eaven find some in the artic circles aswel. The whole world is just one massive substrate log with hyphae grasping out into every crevice and cranny searching for fresh life to devour.

[dead_diver]

If the icecaps keep melting I'm afraid you may be right.

[doctorwu]

MLB was close...Pacific Exotic Spora. They were one of the first companies to offer spores in High Times magazine. For the longest time it was just them and the Homestead mushroom kit that were the main suppliers of spores to the masses. PESH was Sporas "Hawaiian" strain of Cubensis. Only problem is Cubensis didn't grow naturally in Hawaii. It is thought that the spores were actually from a Florida strain collected near G'ville. I don't know if I agree with that because Hawaiians usually have a distinct point on the caps similar to the point on an acorn, especially in young specimens. Most of the shrooms I have encountered in the wilds of Florida have a flatish cap with no point. PESH and PESA are both excellent strains though IMO.

I agree with you on all counts. However, a friend thought PES was Paul E. Stamets of FP fame. I doubt it was Stamets since this company was running out of Hawaii, and he's in Washington.

Edited by doctorwu, 07 April 2019 - 06:47 PM.

[bezevo]

 Paul Stamets has never sold active spores or cultures .  nor did he ever trade these . He did his research threw a Special DEA  license that gave him an exception to  collect  study cultivate and catalog active mushrooms . for his research .

Edited by bezevo, 07 April 2019 - 08:29 PM.

[Furthur1]

first canopy i worked with was PESH, i can remember it like it was yesterday, pinto music live round the campfire, all i could think was..., damn, im an alien, i might a mutter it

[dead_diver]

MLB was close...Pacific Exotic Spora. They were one of the first companies to offer spores in High Times magazine. For the longest time it was just them and the Homestead mushroom kit that were the main suppliers of spores to the masses. PESH was Sporas "Hawaiian" strain of Cubensis. Only problem is Cubensis didn't grow naturally in Hawaii. It is thought that the spores were actually from a Florida strain collected near G'ville. I don't know if I agree with that because Hawaiians usually have a distinct point on the caps similar to the point on an acorn, especially in young specimens. Most of the shrooms I have encountered in the wilds of Florida have a flatish cap with no point. PESH and PESA are both excellent strains though IMO.

I agree with you on all counts. However, a friend thought PES was Paul E. Stamets of FP fame. I doubt it was Stamets since this company was running out of Hawaii, and he's in Washington.

PES is definitely Pacific Exotic Spora. This is a page from the PF site that helps with some of the confusion regarding Hawaiian shrooms and PES. Bottom line is nobody is really sure exactly where they came from.
http://www.fanaticus.com/ha-race.htm

Edited by dead_diver, 18 May 2019 - 11:06 AM.

[peacefrog]

Ah the old PF site. Brings back great memories. I’m sure glad someone took the time to save that old site.

As said above, no one knows where it came from but it is one of my favorite varieties of cubes and is included and treasured in my spore bank. In fact so is PES Amazonian. Both are awesome varieties and are very old and domesticated.

I bought my PES Hawaiian from PF years ago and then later purchased Golden teacher from Workman. IMO they are completely different but who knows what PF grew that was called golden teacher then.

My 2 pennies.

[onediadem]

I loved PF's hawaiians. I lost my culture 4 years ago due to a move. They are by far my favorite cube to grow and consume.

[peacefrog]

I hear you one, they are a great little addition to anyone’s collection. If you want a
Print, pm me. I would be more than happy to share those old genetics with you.

I know I prize mine and will try my damndest to keep the genetics around.

I did the the same thing with his “PF classic” variety. That was my favorite cube back when. I lost all my spores and genetics many moons ago and I really wish I could get them back. I tried them again, purchased from a very reliable vendor, a few years ago and they just sucked. Blobs everywhere and just not the same as I remember them being.

Oh well I chalked it up to degradation of the genetics and have never tried to seek them out since. From what I remember reading, PF had a role in inadvertently messing with the genetics. So... I guess it is what it is. But man those things were great little cubes back in the day IMO.

Edited by peacefrog, 19 May 2019 - 12:53 PM.

[onediadem]

LOL, I hated Pf's classics. I don't like fussy grows, and those were a nightmare for me. I used to go away for the weekend a lot and I could leave the hawaiians with a crack in the tubs for air and they did fine, other than throw some spores. The classics were a black slimy ooey gooey mess of aborts, every time. Even with being babysat constantly. People raved about them and I never understood the vibe with them. I had his original genetics too. Oh well, they just never were my cup of tea. The Hawaiians on the other hand were the best of the best. I had that Hawaiian strain for 16 years and what all I can say is, bummer.

[peacefrog]

Everyone’s different lol. That’s what makes this Little Rock we live on such a wonderful place.

I loved them personally and always had great experiences with growing and ingesting them. Not the greatest flusher, they were always very hollow and never weighed well after drying for me, but they were special to me.

That’s the one set of genetics I really wish I hadn’t lost.

[Dieseld]

 Paul Stamets has never sold active spores or cultures .  nor did he ever trade these . He did his research threw a Special DEA  license that gave him an exception to  collect  study cultivate and catalog active mushrooms . for his research .

 

 

This is true and was a great study.  When I was in Washington with Paul, he told myself and just a few others one night at dinner about how one day during that study, there were black helicopters over the farm. He immediately destroyed all grows and spores. Crazy stuff right there, and Paul is an amazing guy a lot of fun to talk with

Edited by Dieseld, 20 May 2019 - 06:06 AM.