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#1 SteampunkScientist

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Posted 25 May 2016 - 08:37 PM

Stanley Meyer invented a new form of electrolysis that used alternating current instead of DC current. It also used tubes instead of plates, ordered in a circular fashion, with each tube out if phase with its neighbors. In this way, each tube produced both oxygen and hydrogen as the phase changed from positive to negative.

Normally when electrolysis is done, high current DC is used. And each plate produces only one of the two gasses that make up water, which are collected in separate vessels. But in the mode Meyer used, the gasses are mixed creating HHO, or "Browns gas".

By using high voltage and a frequency of 24 kilo-cycles, which happens to be a lower resonant harmonic of the 2,450 MHz that microwave ovens use to "vibrate" water to heat it, Meyer produced more gas per unit of electrical power.

The gas can be used for torches or to cleanly power engines.

Meyer demonstrated his water powered car on many occasions as you can see in the videos below.

Meyer died under suspicious conditions after the government showed interest in his car. See the last video.

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A court of "experts" said he was committing fraud, because of course this can't work....of course.

Hmmmmm.

Edited by SteampunkScientist, 25 May 2016 - 08:40 PM.


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Posted 25 May 2016 - 08:47 PM

Now this guy simplified Meyer's method by electrolysing and then immediately burning the water. Interesting demonstration.

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And then this for creates the electrolysis by radio waves through salt water. In this case the salt ions act as the "plates".

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Edited by SteampunkScientist, 25 May 2016 - 09:03 PM.

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Posted 04 November 2016 - 10:22 PM

According to Wiki, his patents ran out and are free for anyone to attempt:

https://en.wikipedia...water_fuel_cell

 

 

Meyer's patents have expired. His inventions are now in the public domain, available for all to use without restriction or royalty payment.[13] Despite this, no engine or vehicle manufacturer has incorporated Meyer's work.

 

I wonder if they were tweeked to where they wont work?  Just seems strange no one has attempted to replicate what is readily accessible...


Edited by sedaeng, 04 November 2016 - 10:23 PM.

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Posted 04 November 2016 - 11:17 PM

The problem appears to be that the required energy to split the water molecule is equivalent to what you get by burning it. When you factor in losses in the system, it requires net energy input. It's not producing energy. Water is not a fuel because it doesn't readily combine with other elements to produce something at a lower energy state.

Fuels, on the other hand, combine with oxygen (and nitrogen) to produce new molecules with a lower energy state, and release the extra energy as heat. It's basic chemistry.

If there is some process here that is producing additional energy, they really don't talk about what it is.

Does the frequency cause molecules to break apart? Nobody seems to be looking at this basic issue. Or is this yet another energy scam?

The claims are great, but if they can't be demonstrated AND reproduced by others, then I have to label it as scammy.

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 01:12 PM

There is not an energy crisis.  There is a scientific suppression crisis!

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 01:15 PM

The 18 most suppressed inventions ever

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 07:33 PM

why isnt the steam engine getting any further study? I still see them plugging away at state fairs.



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Posted 03 January 2017 - 09:36 PM

 

There isn't any energy crisis.  It's simply a crisis of ignorance.

~R. Buckminster Fuller


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Posted 04 January 2017 - 02:33 PM

The steam engine reached a state of development that peaked around 1900. It was no longer economically prudent to pursue ever smaller increases in efficiency for the added price and complexity of the improvement.
The steam turbine which was a strong competitor 50 years earlier, became the new undeveloped prime mover of choice due to its already high efficiency of around 40%.

Nothing is new under the sun except silicon solar cells, but they will not be prime mover power sources ever. Night time ruins the possibility of using solar for primary energy generation. Same as a calm day ruins wind generators output.

We use coal, gas, and nuclear. We STILL boil water and we STILL use steam turbines and alternators. Nothing has changed in the basic power generation scheme in 200 years except we use computers for better control and have higher efficiency equipment.

We still get less than 40% of the heat energy we make converted into electricity. It is still a baby industry since we have not found a newer more efficient way to generate primary power.

Getting oxyhydrogen gas with LESS energy than now thought possible, could be a game changer by bringing the cost of hydrogen fuel cells down to par with other power making technology.
If it is true, then you follow the money to see that several very very big industries have much to lose if people could make fuel out of water.

For example see-

http://www.power-eng...efficiency.html

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 07:33 PM

Oil companies are short sighted in that thinking that a new energy source is going to diminish their profits.

The fact is if any new energy device is made practical, the demand for new plastics and exotic materials, chemicals, etc. will skyrocket. There will not be less demand for oil, there will be more!

When we finally have endless energy reserves we can reach for the stars. That requires spaceships, food, in general, lots more stuff.

A good deal of it made from oil. And how long does a major infrastructure replacement take? Decades!

Oil companies would actually win bigger if a free energy device were created!

Think about that...
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Posted 04 January 2017 - 09:54 PM

I believe that were the true universal background of energy made available, oil would become in the greater part, obsolete.   We, finally understanding the flaws in our science, would have gravity control and travel would become so totally unconventional as to blow our minds completely.  Glass would become as cheap as sand, and technologies for making new forms of glass would replace most plastics straightaway.  When an item made of glass is retired, put in some of that free energy and make it into something else.  

 

What the oil barons, all the barons, fear the most, is the full equality of all.  This would be the fallout of that freely available energy.     The barons' false ideas of themselves being better than the rest would fail.  That image they hold, by way of their acquisitions, would collapse, as everyone would not need the tokens of wealth, having as much or as little of anything they would want.  


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 08:13 AM

I believe that were the true universal background of energy made available, oil would become in the greater part, obsolete.   We, finally understanding the flaws in our science, would have gravity control and travel would become so totally unconventional as to blow our minds completely.  Glass would become as cheap as sand, and technologies for making new forms of glass would replace most plastics straightaway.  When an item made of glass is retired, put in some of that free energy and make it into something else.  

 

What the oil barons, all the barons, fear the most, is the full equality of all.  This would be the fallout of that freely available energy.     The barons' false ideas of themselves being better than the rest would fail.  That image they hold, by way of their acquisitions, would collapse, as everyone would not need the tokens of wealth, having as much or as little of anything they would want.  

You are right Alder, eventually that is true - but by the time we can create exotic ceramics (which in a larger sense is what you are talking about when you say "glass") most likely decades will have passed and we will still need a plethora of chemicals and other substances.  Nanobot assemblers of course will obsolete many current technologies.

 

My point was that oil companies and the people who run them know that eventually all oil, gas, and coal will eventually run out.  Knowing this, they need a survival strategy.  The current strategy appears to be a confused combination of "Drill/mine more" and slowly dribble out slight improvements in burning efficiency of this energy product whilst kicking the can down the road.

 

Not a good strategy, which of course is old news.

 

Some form of enlightenment needs to occur that allows them to understand that instead of "pushing on in the manner of our past" that their is a much brighter future for them with a slight shift in focus, from direct energy provider, to infrastructure provider for the new energy.  But that takes enlightened minds.  We can rail against these companies all we want, and guess what, nothing will change.

 

Or, we get inside them, change minds and hearts, and slowly the beast will start lumbering in a new direction.  The more I study these sorts of things, the more I see that is the only way it ever really happens.  Overnight revolutions never seem to end well, but usually end brutally with the blood and tears of the innocent wetting the ground.



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Posted 05 January 2017 - 10:11 AM

It seems the Advaita masters are always criticized for pointing to self-realization as the first change for a world that is in suffering.  Academic philosophers  demand that first the cases of perceived suffering be pointed to.   They want the sick healed and the hungry fed before humanity finds out it is living in a dream of false identity.   It should be clear that the hunger and sickness are the direct, and indirect, outcomes of the dream of not knowing who and what we are, the illusion of I and other.   This illusion could be corrected far more easily than hunger and disease in a world trapped in the illusion of separation, for it is this correction which is possible.  It is a personal revolution, and each one who has had it is lost to the old paradigm.  

 

We will not have free energy for all while false identity is the rule.  We will only have wars to prevent it, as the forces fight for dominance and control, their most cherished illusions. 

 

 

If the door of perception were cleansed, every thing would appear to a man as it is, infinite.

- William Blake


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 11:36 AM

But if so many great ideas have been stolen from their inventors by black op hit squads, locked up forever in some warehouse and kept secret... How could we ever expect to advance?  Maybe thats part of the giving up process, allowing for that dark possibility.  If we somehow were to subvert the normal channels and go around their obstacles, we end up dead like so many others before who saw a sliver of hope if we just could get through that hole.  Its an impasse.  Its heavily guarded.  So many smarter people with the smartest ideas were unable to pass.  Its discouraging.  It makes you wonder if real progress is even possible since its obviously against the wishes of our world's most powerful assholes.  

 

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 06:30 PM

Thanks for posting that, Rise. I will pass it around. 


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Posted 08 January 2017 - 02:57 AM

Everytime I see this I get so pissed... I won't say what I'm thinking.




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