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CopyCatattack some cubensis bulk.
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Posted 11 July 2016 - 09:21 PM
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Posted 11 July 2016 - 09:41 PM
Just kidding :)
Great work brother, well done!
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Posted 11 July 2016 - 09:41 PM
nice write up brother.. gotta call you out on the bagged hydrated coir, it contains an anti-fungal (most do) it might cause issues. Well done
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Posted 11 July 2016 - 09:43 PM
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Posted 11 July 2016 - 09:45 PM
nice write up brother.. gotta call you out on the bagged hydrated coir, it contains an anti-fungal (most do) it might cause issues. Well done
They ate it up. Must be the genetics ;)
Does this mean you're moving out of the house and going to college?
I already got thrown out for "inappropriate behavior" while writing this.
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Posted 11 July 2016 - 10:25 PM
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Posted 11 July 2016 - 10:30 PM
Don't you love it when a plan comes together?
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Posted 11 July 2016 - 10:55 PM
Oh I totally forgot. These are COMPLETELY optional, but I've used with great success: I add a bit of everything that the culture is going to eat in the grain soak. So it gets a handful coir, egg shells, dirt, horse dung etc. The point of this is for the mycelium to develop the enzymes/polysaccharides at the earliest point. That way it will make the jump to the bulk quicker and seamlessly. The myc will "recognize" the food.
I also add a handful of organic seabird guano (@cue) for a nitrogen burst and trace minerals, which my cultures have responded really well to. I also add a big sprig of mint to it to help the smell. The myc doesn't mind. They'll eat a lot of things.
Edited by catattack, 11 July 2016 - 11:03 PM.
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Posted 12 July 2016 - 05:41 AM
Oh I totally forgot. These are COMPLETELY optional, but I've used with great success: I add a bit of everything that the culture is going to eat in the grain soak. So it gets a handful coir, egg shells, dirt, horse dung etc. The point of this is for the mycelium to develop the enzymes/polysaccharides at the earliest point. That way it will make the jump to the bulk quicker and seamlessly. The myc will "recognize" the food.
I really notice that using the drained water from the steep to hydrate my substrate really helps the myc jump from spawn onto the substrate.
Now my tubs are usually ready for FC within a week.
Once you see little hyphal knots on the sub, place into fruiting, just increase FAE to initiate pin formation.
I should probably wait that long. But I like giving them FAE as soon as I feel safe to do so, because bad things can happen in anaerobic environments.
Excuse my french but FUCK field capacity, it's too wet IMO.
Which IME also means FUCK the hot water bath! IMO it leaves the substrate too wet.
IME wetter substrates are more prone to Cobweb and anaerobic bacteria.
I also add a handful of organic seabird guano (@cue) for a nitrogen burst and trace minerals
Cat read one of my threads at another site where I was playing with bat guano. But after reading where Cat was playing with seabird guano I looked into it, and seabird guano looks to be even better.
First reason: There is a beetle that lives in the caves (and I think it feeds off of the their guano if I remember right) who's waste has anti-fungal properties.
Second reason: Is that in the caves some of the nutrients are washed out by water. Which is one reason to look for seabird guano from arid environments. They were recommending seabird guano from such locations as Portugal.
I want to add one thing about guano; I was reading where it was best to aerate it with an air stone for 12-24 before using it. This aeration was recommended to kick start the aerobic bacteria in the guano. Aeration is something that I had been considering anyway for my drain water that I save for substrate hydration.
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Posted 12 July 2016 - 05:56 PM
Well done Cat! I will begin testing this tek this weekend.
I have never steeped any of my grains, could this be a problem (or my problem) for why I am getting my quarts contaminated. I had 2 of 14 quarts make it, in my latest run, other times I have had close to a 20% success rate. I will be doing everything as clean as possible this time, maybe I could rent a clean room at a hospitable!?
Several dumb questions, but you essentially require 20-21 quarts of sub, yet these turkey tubs you referenced hold 9, so do you do 3 pasteurizations or tubs, if they all fit in the oven? And while you are doing this, do you ever cover up the sub, if so, at what point (I assume while it is cooling???)?
How do you drain the water? I am assuming (making an ass of myself here) that you put a screen over the drain hole in your cooler? I am assuming I could use a tub and simulate the same thing and drain the water... I like Cue's idea of saving the water to add to the sub, but when do you add this to the sub, right before pasteurization, correct?
Last question for this minute, You just take a quart and a measuring cup to add the hydrated grain to the quart and NO excess water then put in the PC, correct? Since we are pasteurizing the sub, do we then pasteurize the grain, or do we sterilize the grain?
Sorry guys for the dumb questions, but it is these small things that I think people like me get hung up on (sorry, not trying to speak for other people), but I will post what I think are reasonable questions here for the benefit of others and myself, and go directly to Cat (which I know he loves!) with specific questions for him.
If this works, I think I should have enough shrooms for the rest of the summer, hahaha!
Thanks again Cat, one day I hope I absorb enough of this to do this for others down the road.
Edited by meyer, 12 July 2016 - 06:01 PM.
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Posted 12 July 2016 - 06:27 PM
@ Meyer; some of your questions may be answered here.
Edited by Cue, 12 July 2016 - 06:30 PM.
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Posted 12 July 2016 - 07:22 PM
@meyer
I don't do a lot of measuring anymore (I don't do a ton of growing either), those were just loose guidelines. Speaking to your question though, You absolutely cover the turkey tins. That is the only step where I think it's ok to be a little too wet, as one is going to lose moisture in the pasteurization stage, even if one employs the trick with the pan of water. Double wrap that bad boy in 2 layers of good foil. Two tins could hold 20 quarts of that sub, but it's going to be a little 'tight', so to speak. If there's a little mound in the middle, it's fine.
Yes, you will be sterilizing your jars in your PC
The only place/stage I think that one needs a clean area, is when inoculating say grain to grain, using an agar wedge, or clone material. I like to tell newer hobbyists to use their clean space for other functions too. The more practice you get in your SAB/GB the better. It encourages and fosters mindfulness, confidence, and muscle memory. No hospital rentals needed!
The grain will serve you well if it's on the dry side, you want it to be dry on the surface but easily squashed with your fingers. It's also more user friendly if you have room to shake.
I drain my water right through the strainer, one could rubber band a sock around the drain hole of the cooler. I too save my liquid, but it goes in the flower bed. I'm entirely organic with all my grows, from tomatoes, to zinnias, to fungi. It's better environmental karma. I <3 microbes.
-Cat
Edited by catattack, 12 July 2016 - 07:28 PM.
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Posted 12 July 2016 - 08:07 PM
Thank you for clearing up several of my questions Cat.
What do you, or others say about myself or anyone else employing this method using Rye Berries? Would I need to change anything?
Thank you!
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Posted 12 July 2016 - 08:28 PM
Awesome job, man!
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Posted 13 July 2016 - 04:31 AM
What do you, or others say about myself or anyone else employing this method using Rye Berries? Would I need to change anything?
I don't know know about steep rye berries, but I would assume they would take as long as oats (60 minutes).
If you find out anything let me know.
But other than maybe prepping rye berries should work using the techniques that Cat outlined above.
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Posted 13 July 2016 - 10:49 AM
https://mycotopia.ne...isture-content/
Rye steeping from a dozen years ago.
https://mycotopia.ne...-step-rye-prep/
Oldies but not moldies
Edited by hyphaenation, 13 July 2016 - 10:50 AM.
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