Man i feel for you and i hope a higher power relieves you of your pain someday. Kratom does lower blood pressure and its also a antioxidant among other things. Kratom saves lives period. It doesn't destroy the liver, kidneys, or any other organ in our body and there is no way that the DEA does not already know this.
I just stir in water and slug it down, I really don't mind the taste and have no reason to try an alternate method of taking it.
I had not thought about the possible combined effects of wellbutrin and Kratom until you mentioned this Microbe. I have been fighting with high blood pressure for some time, and my meds to lower it stopped working. The doctor tried another bp med to add, and got very little reduction. He put me on Wellbutrin because of its amplifying effect on BP reduction meds, and getting used to that stuff was a bear for me.
I had not made a connection, but it was at this time that I started using the Kratom to get through the majority of the day without having to take the Norco/Soma combo, which I still do take at night. I noticed right away that I can use far less of the Norco/Soma if I had Kratom earlier, but also noticed my Blood pressure felt much better. I have not been to have it checked for a routine check yet, but I can feel the difference. If its from the wellbutrin or the Kratom I do not know, but am not inclined to screw with what is working for me.
I have lost weight I did not need since starting to use the Kratom almost daily. I also have been undergoing some treatment for anxiety, which has also become much better since using the Kratom.
Overall, I have far more benefits with Kratom, and so far could not say I see any negatives. As I said in the start of this thread, it really upsets me that I find something that really works, and the DEA decides to make this essentially unavailable, at least for a while.( like they have ever changed a classification to reflect realistic medical and scientific fact)
I have surgery schedualed for the 12th, to restructure my entire cervical spine area, and have two of the three fucked discs fused. The proceedure is newer, and uses my own bone from the removed massive spurs and a very small plastic piece to do the fusing. The proceedure will also open up the passage for the pinched nerves exiting these discs, and open the actual spinal cord passage which has been restricted and narrowed through this area, all of this contributing to the chronic and at times paralyzing pain I have been treating.
I hope to reach a point where I am no longer chemical and herb dependent after this, but any surgical proceedures involving the spinal cord and the vertebrae and nerves around it is not without risk . I just consider it an acceptable risk as compared to the alternate which is to do nothing.
I have been totally honest with all my doctors about my use of the Kratom and stated why and what it does to help. I know and believe it is doing more than just relieving pain and reducing the amount of opioids I need to be within a tolerable range. If I find it is having a benefit on reducing my BP as well, and keeping the anxiety more controlled, I am going to be extremely hesitant to give it up, even if the pain reduction is no longer a factor.
Wish I could afford to buy a kilo, but have ordered as much as I could scrape together, which is about 300 grams. I know that won't go very far long term, but I am hopeful the rescheduling is put on hold with enough support, and that some alternate supply lines open if not.
My bp is excellent and i manage a large box store for a fortune 50 company with approximately 150 employees and with a real shitty customer base. There are tight deadlines, high expectations and even unrealistic expectations.
My wife is a untreated bipolar patient and with a 5 and 3 year old in the house both who throw fits and scream until we fail at parenting and just give in, it is very stressful at home. Not every day is bad but the only peace i find is at night when my family is asleep.
My point is with the stress levels in my life and mismanagement of it, coupled with my poor diet and lack of exercise, i should have hypertension. I promise you it helps lower blood pressure.
I accidentally ended up in a Pentecostal church, long story but it was mellow and no one was running and flopping around as if they were having a convulsions. I lost my faith over 20 years ago and i can say that i have been back to this church 3 times and plan to go at least twice a month in attempt to find my faith but i want healed of my anxiety and depression and not require a herb or pharma to survive. The pasture put his hands on me and prayed for me and spoke in tongues. It did absolutely nothing lmao. None the less it teaches my kids values so we are going until i see it become and an old fashion runaway holy spirit filled service because i dont want to be witnessed to that.
Im not giving up on trying to find god again and i hear about it all the time people being healed and im desperate and want to believe. My point to that is if i do become healed i will let you know if it worked. I probably need cleansed before i will become healed but i lm moving in the right direction. I am moving away from my agnostic beliefs and although i have not restored my faith so my prayers probably have lack of result, i will ask my pasture to pray for you and all my brother and sisters who suffer from pain and mental illness. Perhaps these ailments are the work of the devil.
I have read many parts of the bible over 2 decades ago and again i want to reiterate i am not a man of god, i do not live a god filled life, i am a sinner, but im changing and in no way am i trying to come off as a righteous man.
I mentioned that these ailments can be the work of the devil and if there is a god then how or why would he allow the devil to do this.
In the book of Job it discusses how god allowed for satan to cause pain and suffering to Job.
Job was a wealthy and righteous man and lived a sin free life and if my memory serves me right, he was the only man to have done so other then jesus. I may be wrong about that.
Satan goes up to heaven and dialogue takes place between satan and god and when done god given the devil permission to bring about disasters but was not allowed to take Job's life.
The devil brings about all these disasters which claims the life of Job's 7 sons and 3 daughters and taking away everything he had including his wealth.
Job keeps his faith and satan goes back up to heaven and more dialogue takes place. When it is over god had given permission to lay hands on Job but must not take his life.
Satan touches Job and Job becomes covered head to toe in painful infectious boils. Through all this he kept his faith even after his wife told him to curse god and take his own life.
There is much more to the story but at the end of the trials god blessed him and Job received twice as much he had before his trials began including having 7 more sons and 3 daughters.
(Copy and paste from the book of Job)
God speaks to Job and restores him. God knows that Job has received incorrect guidance from his friends, “Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge?” God fittingly declares that humans do not know everything. Then He humbles Job by asking a series of questions that could never be answered by anyone other than Almighty God; for example, “Have you understood the expanse of the earth? Tell Me, if you know all this”. God then brings him to an understanding that believers don’t always know what God is doing in their lives.
In the end, Job answers God by saying, “I have declared that which I did not understand”. God then blessed Job with twice as much as he had before his trials began.
If god is real and the bible is the word of god, then our pain and suffering is a trial and testament of our faith.
Seems cruel to me and in the old testament there are many versus that depict god as a angry god and merciless god.
Like i said im trying to find another way because i dint want to always depend on a herb or pharma to maintain a quality of life.
I hope you find peace someday sky and if i score some large quantities of kratom i will have no problem gifting any to you if ever in need.
Edited by Microbe77, 01 September 2016 - 03:57 PM.