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Posted 15 September 2016 - 03:27 AM

Well let's start out with a web description of what Kratom is..

 

 

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Mitragyna speciosa
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Scientific classification
Kingdom: Plantae
(unranked): Angiosperms
(unranked): Eudicots
(unranked): Asterids
Order: Gentianales
Family: Rubiaceae
Subfamily: Cinchonoideae
Tribe: Naucleeae
Genus: Mitragyna
Species: M. speciosa
Binomial name
Mitragyna speciosa
(Korth.) Havil.
Synonyms[1]
Nauclea korthalsii Steud. nom. inval.
Nauclea luzoniensis Blanco
Nauclea speciosa (Korth.) Miq.
Stephegyne speciosa Korth.
 
Mitragyna speciosa Korth. (also known as ketum or kratom),[2] is a tropical evergreen tree in the coffee family (Rubiaceae) native to Southeast Asia in the Indochina and Malaysia phytochoria (botanical regions). M. speciosa is indigenous to Thailand, Indonesia, and Malaysia, Myanmar, and Papua New Guinea.[3]
Little research has been done on the health effects and it has no approved medical uses.[4][3] In cultures where the plant grows, it has been used in traditional medicine.[3] Some people use it for managing chronic pain, opioid withdrawal, or recreationally;[3] as of 2015 the recreational use was fairly recent.[4] Effects typically last 2 to 5 hours, with onset beginning 5 to 10 minutes after ingestion.[3] The plant's active compounds and metabolites are not detected by a typical drug screening test, but can be detected by more specialized testing.[5][6]
Minor side effects may include itchiness, vomiting, and constipation.[3] More severe side effects may include respiratory depression (decreased breathing), seizure, addiction, and psychosis.[3] Other side effects include high heart rate and blood pressure, liver toxicity, and trouble sleeping.[7][8] There is a risk of addiction.[3] In the United States between 2014 and 2016, 15 deaths have been associated with kratom use.[7] Though not an opiate itself, kratom is thought to behave similarly to an opiate like morphine.[9]
As of 2015 there was a growing international concern about a possible threat to public health from kratom use.[4][10] In some jurisdictions its sale and importation have been restricted, and a number of public health authorities have raised alerts.[7][10][4]
Description[edit]

 

 Young M. speciosa tree
Mitragyna speciosa is an evergreen tree that can grow to a height of 25 m (82 ft) tall and the trunk may grow to a 3 ft (0.91 m) diameter,[11] The trunk is generally straight and the outer bark is smooth and grey.[11] The leaves are dark green and glossy,[4] and can grow to over 14–20 cm (5.5–7.9 in) long and 7–12 cm (2.8–4.7 in) wide when fully open, are ovate-acuminate in shape, and opposite in growth pattern, with 12-17 pairs of veins.[11] The flowers grow in clusters of three at the end of the branches. The calyx-tube is 2 mm (0.079 in) long and has 5 lobes; the corolla-tube is 2.5–3 millimetres (0.098–0.118 in) long[11]
M. speciosa is indigenous to Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, Myanmar, and Papua New Guinea.[3]
Uses[edit]
As of 2013 the United States Drug Enforcement Administration stated, "There is no legitimate medical use for kratom".[12] Kratom has become popular as a recreational drug and has been promoted with claims that it can improve mood, relieve pain and help with opiate addiction.[7]
Opioid withdrawal[edit]
Informal use of kratom to aid in overcoming opioid withdrawal dates back to the early 1940s in Thailand, when a shortage of opium led addicts to turn to kratom.[4] Data on how often it is used are lacking as it is not detected by typical drug screening tests.[13] Kratom metabolites can be detected by specialized mass spectrometry tests.[6] Rates of kratom use appears to be increasing among those who have been self-managing chronic pain with opioids purchased without a prescription and are cycling (but not quitting) their use.[13] As of 2011, there have been no formal trials to study the efficacy or safety of kratom to treat opioid addiction.[9]
Traditional use[edit]

 

 Kratom leaves
In cultures where the plant grows, it has been used in traditional medicine; the leaves are chewed to relieve musculoskeletal pain, increase energy, appetite, and sexual desire in ways similar to khat and coca,[4] and the leaves or extracts from them are used to heal wounds, and as a local anesthetic, and extracts have been used to treat coughs, diarrhea .[3][11] Kratom is often used by workers in laborious or monotonous professions to stave off exhaustion as well as a mood enhancer and/or painkiller.[11]
Recreational use[edit]
Across Southeast Asia and especially in Thailand, in the 2010s a tea-based cocktail known as 4×100 became popular among some younger people. It is a mix of kratom leaves, cough syrup, Coca-Cola, and ice; as of 2015 people who consumed this were often viewed like methamphetamine and heroin addicts.[4] In the US as of 2015 kratom was available in head shops and over the internet; prevalence of use was unknown as of that time.[4]
Adverse effects[edit]
Kratom has become a subject of concern in many countries because of the rising number of hospital visits and reports of deaths associated with its users.[4] According to the DEA, 15 deaths in the United States between 2014 and 2016 were kratom-related.[7]
In July, 2016, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) issued a report stating that between 2010 and 2015 US Poison Centers received 660 reports of exposure to kratom. Medical outcomes associated with kratom exposure were reported as minor (minimal signs or symptoms, which resolved rapidly with no residual disability) for 162 (24.5%) exposures, moderate (non-life threatening, with no residual disability, but requiring some form of treatment) for 275 (41.7%) exposures, and major (life-threatening signs or symptoms, with some residual disability) for 49 (7.4%) exposures.[8] One death was reported in a person who was exposed to the medications paroxetine (an antidepressant) and lamotrigine (an anticonvulsant and mood stabilizer) in addition to kratom. For 173 (26.2%) exposure calls, no effects were reported, or poison center staff members were unable to follow up again regarding effects.[8]
Adverse effects are similar to opioids and include hallucinations, psychosis, seizures, agitation, tachycardia, nausea, constipation, bowel obstruction, drowsiness, respiratory depression (normal breathing is reduced, which can lead to carbon dioxide poisoning and death), reduced appetite, itching, sweating, dry mouth, and increased urination.[3][7][13][14] Chronic users have also reported withdrawal symptoms including irritability, runny nose and diarrhea.[6] One other study on chronic Malaysian users of kratom (more than 6 months, estimated 276 mg of mitragynine daily) showed severe symptoms of muscle spasms and pain, sleeping difficulty, fever, decreased appetite and psychological withdrawal.[15] Overdose of kratom is managed similar to the overdose of opioids, and naloxone can be considered to treat an overdose that results in a reduced effort to breathe despite mixed results for its utility in animal models.[3]
Withdrawal is generally short-lived and mild, and it may be effectively treated with dihydrocodeine and lofexidine.[16] Three case reports document deaths involving kratom. Other drugs were used in all cases, and Kratom was found not to be the cause in each case.[17][18][19] Several deaths in Sweden did occur from the use of a product that was at first believed to consist solely of kratom, called "Krypton Kratom", which was later found to contain O-Desmethyltramadol, the active metabolite of the prescription drug tramadol.[19]
Pharmacology[edit]
As of 2015, much of the pharmacology of kratom was not well understood.[4] As of that time, mitragynine was thought to have about 13 times the potency of morphine; 7-HMG appeared to be about 4 times more potent in its CNS stimulant and depressant effects than mitragynine.[4] Kratom may have a stimulant effect at lower doses and and opioid-like effect at higher doses; different varieties of kratom may have more powerful stimulant or opioid effects.[4]
Both mitragynine and 7-HMG are selective and full agonists of μ-opioid subtype receptors; 7-HMG appears to have higher affinity.[4] Stimulant activity appears to arise from blocking stimulation of serotonergic 5-HT2A receptors and blocking stimulation of postsynaptic alpha-2 adrenergic receptors.[4]
Mitragynine is metabolized in humans via phase I and phase II mechanisms with the resuling metabolites excreted in urine.[4] In in vitro experiments kratom extracts inhibit CYP 3A4, 2D6, and 1A2 enzymes, which creates significant risks for interactions with prescription and over the counter drugs.[4]
Chemistry[edit]
The key psychoactive compounds in M. speciosa are mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine,[4] but there are more than 40 compounds in M. speciosa leaves,[13] including about 25 alkaloids other than mitragynine and[7-hydroxymitragynine including mitraphylline, and mitragynine pseudoindoxyl.[20][21] Other active chemicals in M. speciosa include raubasine (best known from Rauvolfia serpentina) and Pausinystalia johimbe alkaloids such as corynantheidine.[22]
Mitragynine is about 60% of alkaloid extractions, while 7-hydroxymitragynine is about 2%.[4]
The chemical structure of mitragynines incorporate the nucleus of the tryptamine, and these may be responsible for the molecules observed in the serotonin and adrenergic systems..[23] Mitragynine is structurally similar to yohimbine and voacangine.[4]
Detection in body fluids[edit]
Blood mitragynine concentrations are expected to be in a range of 10–50 μg/L in persons using the drug recreationally. Detection in body fluids is typically by liquid chromatography-mass spectrometry.[19][24]
Taxonomy and etymology[edit]
Mitragyna speciosa was first formally described by the Dutch colonial botanist Pieter Korthals in 1839.[25] and in a 1897 publication by George Haviland.[26] The genus was named Mitragyna by Korthals because the stigmas in the first species he examined resembled the shape of a bishop's mitre. It is botanically related to the genera Corynanthe and Uncaria.[citation needed]
Regulation[edit]
As of January 2015 neither the plant nor its alkaloids were listed in any of the Schedules of the United Nations Drug Conventions.[10]
Europe[edit]
In Europe as of 2011 the plant was controlled in Denmark, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania and Sweden.[10]
ASEAN[edit]
As of 2013, kratom was listed by ASEAN in its annex of products that cannot be included in traditional medicines and health supplements that are traded across ASEAN nations.[27]
Australia and New Zealand[edit]
As of January 2015 kratom was controlled as a narcotic in Australia and under the Medicines Amendment Regulations of New Zealand.[10]
Thailand[edit]
Prohibition[edit]
Possession of kratom leaves is illegal in Thailand. The Thai government passed the Kratom Act 2486, effective August 3, 1943, which made planting the tree illegal,[12] in response to a rise in its use when opium became very expensive in Thailand and the Thai government was attempting to gain control in the opium market.[4] In 1979, the Thai government placed kratom along with marijuana in Category V of a five category classification of narcotics.[12] Kratom accounted for less than 2% of arrests for narcotics between 1987 and 1992.[28]
The government considered legalizing kratom in 2004, 2009, and 2013.[29]
Malaysia[edit]
The use of kratom leaves, known locally as 'ketum', is prohibited in Malaysia under Section 30 (3) Poisons Act 1952 and the user may be penalized with a maximum compound of MYR 10,000 (USD 3,150) or up to 4 years imprisonment.[30] Certain parties have urged the government to penalize the use of kratom under the Dangerous Drugs Act instead of the Poisons Act, which will carry heavier penalties.[31]
United States[edit]
On 30 August 2016, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) announced its intention to place the active materials in the kratom plant into Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act as a warning about an imminent hazard to public safety.[7] This has caused concern among those using kratom to deal with chronic pain or wean themselves off opioids or alcohol.[32]
According to the DEA press release, "Kratom is abused for its ability to produce opioid-like effects and is often marketed as a legal alternative to controlled substances. Law enforcement nationwide has seized more kratom in the first half of 2016 than any previous year and easily accounts for millions of dosages intended for the recreational market, according to DEA findings. In addition, kratom has a high potential for abuse, has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States, and has a lack of accepted safety for use under medical supervision. These three factors constitute a Schedule I controlled substance according to the Controlled Substances Act passed by Congress in 1970."[7] DEA reported 15 kratom-related deaths between 2014 and 2016.[7]
On June 9, 2015, FDA announced an import alert for kratom, issuing guidance that shipments are to be seized without physical examination from several vendors listed due to concerns that kratom poses a risk of illness or injury, stating that "[C]onsumption of kratom can lead to a number of health impacts, including respiratory depression, nervousness, agitation, aggression, sleeplessness, hallucinations, delusions, tremors, loss of libido, constipation, skin hyperpigmentation, nausea, vomiting, and severe withdrawal signs and symptoms.
 

 

 

 

 

Now with a brief familiarization with Kratom. Let's discuss propagation from seed.
The gnome is new to growing this plant. But has done what he can to find what little information is out there..

 

(sourced : b-and-t-world-seeds.com/cartall.asp?species=Mitragyna%20speciosa%20Rifat&sref=530528 )
 
The average, annual, minimum temperature zone where Mitragyna speciosa Rifat is cold hardy
 USDA Zone:10 30° to 40°F   (-1° to +4.5°C)
 
Type of plant - tree
 
Fruit: of 2 cocci, 10 ridged, dehiscing, many seeds ~ 3mm. long
 
Foliage: oblong-ovate,to 15x10cm.
 
Height, in meters: 30
 Height, in feet: 99.00
 
Mitragyna speciosa Rifat sales history
 
Parts of Mitragyna speciosa Rifat are considered toxic.
 
Synonyms (alternative names) for Mitragyna speciosa Rifat:
Mitragyna religiosa, Mitragyna religiosa, Nauclea speciosa, Nauclea speciosa, 
Common names for Mitragyna speciosa Rifat:
 
(timber for plywood & boxes),  (timber for plywood & boxes),  (wants list client # 42424) 20 seeds,  (wants list client # 42424) 20 seeds,  Bai krathom,  Bai krathom,  blak-blak,  blak-blak,  Kadamba,  Kadamba,  Ketum,  Ketum,  Kra thoom,  Kra thoom,  Kratom Rifat,  Kratom Rifat,  Kutum,  Kutum,  Mambog (Tag.),  Mambog (Tag.), 
Germination guide for Mitragyna speciosa Rifat
These notes are a general guide, it is recommended to check specialist literature for some of the more unusual seeds in our lists.
Seed Germination Theory and Practice by Professor Norman C. Deno
Some knowledge about growing from seed is necessary to germinate even the easiest seeds. Most seeds require humidity to germinate, even desert plants like Welwitschia mirabilis require that their growing medium remains moist until germination.
Most seeds require oxygen to germinate, if buried too deep in their growing medium, or if the medium is too wet, the seeds may not get the oxygen they require.
 Some seeds need to be in the light (surface sown) or in the dark (sown deep enough to receive little or no light) to germinate. A rule of thumb is to cover the seeds their own width deep in the growing medium, but some seeds prefer to be sown much deeper, and some fairly large seeds like to be surface sown (or higher).
 Many seeds germinate best at certain temperatures, some will germinate at a comparatively wide range of temperatures, yet others need fluctuating temperatures.
 Almost all seeds are waiting in a dormant state for some outside stimulus to break their dormancy, some just need sufficiently high ambiant humidity, others need scarification, vernalization or to be passed through the intestines of an animal.
Mitragyna speciosa Rifat seeds will usually germinate in 10 days, if conditions are favourable.
 Normally will only germinate with light so surface sow. Sow Mitragyna speciosa Rifat seeds on the surface of a sand to peat seed sowing mix at about 27°C.

 

 

 

 

 

 
HOW DO I GERMINATE KRATOM SEEDS?
Mitragyna speciosa is a beautiful, hardy, and extremely tall tree, sometimes reaching heights of 30 meters! The seeds produced by these trees couldn't be more delicate; they grow in podheads, that contain about 50 seed pods per head, and each pod can contain about 50 seeds. The seeds are no larger than a sliver. Because the seeds are so delicate and so many, they also have a low germination rate as well.
Kratom seeds will sprout surprisingly easy, though. Since you can expect a viability rate of about 20% from fresh Kratom seeds, and about 10% from ones that are not so fresh, you can plant between 5-10 seeds per pot. Planting is simple; you can simply drop them onto the top of the soil, and then sprinkle a very thin layer of soil on top, just enough to cover the seeds. In nature, the seeds are so light an so many, that they spread far and wide in the air, and only delicately land, like feathers, on the forest floor.
So use that image as a guide when planting your own seeds.
Soil needs to be any standard potting soil...you don't want sandy soil like cactus like to grow in; this is a tree, and a fast-growing one at that! Temperatures need to be as moderate as possible; you can't subject your Kratom tree to ANY freezing temperatures whatsoever! It likes a constant temperature of about 75 degrees to 85 degrees Fahrenheit, and does extremely well in natural sunlight. If you live in a place that has cold winters, you will notice a marked increase in leaf production if you bring your Kratom tree outside for the summer.
As far as watering; just don't let the soil dry out, but don't soak it either. BUT: Once you little sapling is established, and is a young tree, it is difficult to over-water this plant. Once the tree really gets growing, it is not uncommon to water it every day. Leaf production only takes about 6 months to start, and you can get a large number of leaves on a regular basis. Just don't strip your tree too much; we know how tempting that can be.
We wish you all the best in your endeavor, and hope this beautiful and sacred Mitragyna speciosa plant brings you as much joy as it has us by growing and cultivating it from seed.
Many more articles such as Kratom Plant Secrets, How to Grow Kratom, and Photos and Descriptions of Kratom Leaf are at Kratom Shop.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
How Do I Germinate Tree Seeds?
Germination Techniques: Community Pots Or Beds
This is a method by which seeds are sewn in a container or bed, typically many seeds placed side by side in the germinating soil. This is good for day to day observation and offers a grower the opportunity to remove seedlings at will.  This is also the most used technique by commercial growers.
Advantages: Easy observation, erect seedlings, good air circulation, easy application of chemicals or fertilizer, application of bottom heat, and independent removal of seedlings as needed.
Disadvantages: Somewhat more difficult to set up, potential for less heat or humidity, greater desiccation risk, chance for collateral contamination by fungus.
Germination Techniques: "Baggie" Technique
An easy technique of placing seeds with some slightly damp moss into a transparent plastic baggie and putting the baggie in a warm environment, such as near a water heater.  This is the most preferred technique by hobbyists.
Advantages: improved humidity, inexpensive, simple, space efficient, mobile, and good for small numbers of seeds
Disadvantages: Poor visibility, twisted seedlings, potential for rapid fungal demise, lack of ventilation, inferior light, risk of under-hydration without warning, and need for timely removal when ready or one gets “seedling spaghettiâ€.
Simple Outdoor Germination
This means germinating outdoors in a small pot or the garden, nothing fancy. This can be successful with many species in you live in an area that gets adequate heat and not too cold. One should avoid direct sunlight on most species and keep the soil somewhat damp.
Germination Medium/Soil in a Pot
It must provide a root substrate, moisture, nutrients and aeration, and is ideally loose enough for easy penetration of germination radical.  It should accept water easily and not dry out too quickly. There are various opinions on the ideal mix. The mix can be made by hand or purchased as "germination mix." Typically used are mixtures of perlite and peat moss in a 2:1 or 3:1 ratio.
With this kind of soil, wetting agents are often added to medium to help with watering, which is helpful to Kratom Seeds.
Pure peat moss can be used but can turn into a hard block if ever allowed to fully dry out!
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Germination Environment
A temperature/humidity controlled greenhouse environment is ideal. This offers more heat, higher low temperatures, and more consistent humidity. There is also less risk of predators, weed contamination and weather-related problems.
A simply constructed germination box made out of styrofoam with a plastic lid can be constructed cheaply and work well. It is ideal for the hobbyist. A simple warming device such as a light bulb can be utilized.
If not utilizing a greenhouse or germination box, provide your seeds with the warmest area possible with good humidity and away from direct, hot sunlight.
Humidity levels of 60 to 70% are ideal. Avoid overly damp locations or rot will develop.

Utilization Of Bottom Heat
This is a system of utilizing artificial heat below the community pot to accomplish or accelerate germination.
Commercial heating mats are available with thermostat controls.
Advantageous for most species. Speeds germination. Is not inexpensive to use.
Bottom heat requires a flat surface to function. It is best to shield loss of heat from the bottom of your mat. The distance from the seeds to bottom heat is critical. If too close it may overheat seeds.
For species from colder natural habitats, bottom heat may diminish germination rates and be totally unnecessary.
It will increases water requirements and/or frequency of misting.
A thermometer should be utilized to verify optimal medium temperature.

 

Some information on unpacking & caring for clones/cuttings

 

 

(source: www.mitrascience.com/buy-live-kratom-trees/ )
 
When your kratom plant arrives, carefully remove the plant from the box, minding use of sharp instruments, cut the tape --not the box-- in a warm area, free from drafts to avoid dehydration. Carefully remove all packaging disturbing the plant as little as possible. Your plant may or may not be noticeably wilted. This is to be expected from the shock of transport. Do not be alarmed if it looks a little 'sad'. Keep away from brighter lights for at least a day. A dimly lit room, such as the counter or table top in front of drawn shades or blinds is great. It needs to adjust to the new environment and recover from shipping. Water the plant generously, but do not allow to stand in water for more than 2-3 hours per day.
Probably the single easiest way to keep help your plant recover from shipping (and cut down on the work for you at the same time) is to make a little makeshift greenhouse for it. You can use a 2-liter plastic bottle with the bottom cut off or just a big plastic bag. That will help keep in the moisture and the heat. If you can't make a greenhouse for it, at the very least, you will need to spritz it with water several times a day to keep the leaves moist. They do not do well going straight from an extremely high-humidity environment of their packaging to normal house conditions.   
We highly recommend organic potting mix as an excellent source of nutrients for proper leaf production and plant stability.  Kratom requires an ample amount of lighting that is very bright, but not harsh like the sun. If adequate lighting is not maintained consistently, leaf drop will occur quite severely until the plant can use what light is available. You may find the use of fluorescent lighting to be amicable and ultimately will be easier to control during the shorter winter months. Consider the plant's native habit, Thailand and Africa, where the tropical zones are moist and warm and days are long. Should artificial lighting be impractical for your needs, 4-5 hours of early morning sun should be sufficient. The temperature that you may find comfortable will ultimately make your new plant comfortable. Much higher than 90 degrees F and leaf production is slowed slightly, although the plant loves plenty of humidity and higher temps. Much lower than 60 degrees F and the plant will stop growing pretty much altogether; remaining dormant until warmer temperatures are maintained all the while, dropping nearly every leaf. Near-freezing temperatures will kill it very quickly. We find optimal growth to be at around 85 degrees F with around 4 hours of morning sun and shade the rest of the day.
You should want to water when the very top of soil becomes slightly dry in appearance or to touch. Lack of sufficient water will result in smaller, stunted leaves and much slower growth. Misting once or twice daily will help alleviate stress of a drier climate as well as help prevent many opportunities for pests which often prefer the dry undersides and joints of plants in general. Kratom prefers fairly damp, well-drained potting soil. We only use miracle-gro potting mix for the Kratom. No moss, no vermiculite -- nothing but the potting mix. Watch your plant closely and you will learn to accommodate it to the most suitable growing environment. With lots of love and care your Kratom plant can grow up to be a Kratom tree. 

 

 

The first of many orders of mitragyna speciosa seed arrived yesterday.
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I was pleasantly surprised when the pack of 15 RVT (Red Vein Thai) seed was actually closer to 60. And the rifat pods easily had 150+ seed.
I potted up about 10 seed per 2.5" pot.
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Red pots are Rifat strain
Black pots are RVT
I used what substrate I had on hand. Which was a mixture of about 25% black kow, 50% coco coir, and 20% coarse pumice, and 5% high nitrogen fertilizer.
I have this first batch germinating in the mature cacti closet, under a 40w LED 13h on 11 off light cycle. With a humidity dome to keep humidity high.
We'll check back on those in a couple days…
So far Gnome has a bumble bee and Rifat strain plant about 14". With 4x more Rifat clones on the way. I also hope to acquire a rare PVT strain before the ban takes effect.. (here's hoping)
Gnomes ultimate goal is to become self sustainable with my kratom intake within the next 5 years. Gnomes secondary goal is to graft varying strains of kratom until I've accomplished the infamous ribbed leaf of what has become known as Maeng Da kratom.

 

 


The Truth About Maeng Da Kratom
 
Maeng Da kratom is one of the most well known forms of kratom, although many know little of its origin, potency and effects. While this strain was once one of the most effective, its strength in comparison to other strains is not as pronounced as of 2015. However, before it is written off, it is still a fantastic kratom for anyone who is looking for both stimulation and pain relief, which very few other varieties can offer quite as well. While we don’t offer this type on our website, we still certainly believe it deserves its place among the best.
Contents
0.1 The Origins
0.1.1 The Working-Man’s Kratom
1 Green Malaysian
1.0.1 Profile of Effects
1.0.2 Stimulation
2 Green Malaysian
2.0.1 Analgesia
2.0.2 Psychological Effects
The Origins
This strain has a very unique history in comparison to many others, and, sadly, looking for information about it can be difficult due to the disinformation and lack of information available on the internet. Interestingly, Maeng Da, which in Thai means ‘Pimp (derogatory) kratom’, has only been so named for less than 20 years. The history of this strain has been veiled from public knowledge, and, thanks to lack of research, some conspiracy oriented people even speculate this kratom was genetically modified. However, those who believe this strain was genetically modified are not entirely incorrect, as this kratom strain has been uniquely bred through a process called grafting; however, conspiracy-styled stories of basement dwelling botanical geneticists are well off the mark.
The Working-Man’s Kratom
Botanically interested farmers all over Southeast Asia were breeding some very unique qualities into stimulating Thai strains; the reason for this is sales. The market favors those with more potent leaves and kratom plants that can produce large quantities in a short period of time. While this selective breeding has occurred naturally wherever kratom is sold and bought, no one case of this is more pronounced than in Indonesia, where the first strain called “Maeng Da” originated.
In these areas, a large portion of the male population works in heavy manual labor, and thanks to location, in swamp-like humidity and sweltering heat. These rough jobs and hard conditions have dramatically contributed to kratom’s popularity. This extreme competition by growers spurred the need to produce exceptionally potent and stimulating kratom. At a specific plantation in Indonesia, a technique called grafting became common practice again, blending natural and artificial selection methods in an attempt to create the strongest Thai kratom. This plantation slowly became renowned for their kratom’s strength in comparison to other areas and was officially labeled by them as “Maeng Da.” However, because kratom has become popular in the world-wide marketplace, its potency in comparison to other strains is nowhere near as pronounced as it once was, making it less desirable than before; however, in many cases it can still be highly effective, especially for those who do manual labor, as it was originally “designed” for.
Profile of Effects
The profile of effects offered by maeng da kratom are quite unique in comparison to most others and that is the primary reason it is still commonly used today. With most kratom strains, you commonly have to choose between either pain-killing ability or stimulation, however, thanks to this strain’s unique alkaloid blend and origins, that choice is no longer necessary.
Stimulation
The primary effect noticed by those who use this type of kratom is stimulation, which is felt primarily as a mental-physical readiness, however, unlike most stimulants, such as caffeine, it typically doesn’t cause kratom side effects such as sweating or physical discomfort. Because of this, it has often been noted as “clean stimulant.” Since its birth, this strain is ideal for heavy physical labor, however, maeng da kratom has also been used effectively by those who do mental work as well, because of its effects on focus and energy.
Analgesia
In combination with stimulation, this variety also offers effective analgesia for those who suffer from chronic pain. While not the most ideal kratom for pain, it can be great for those with moderate pain who can’t tolerate the sedative effects of traditional pain medication or other analgesic kratom varieties.
Psychological Effects
Pronounced mood-lifting is one of the effects of Maeng Da kratom which make it quite popular. However, tolerance to these kratom effects build quickly, especially for those who use it regularly or don’t manage their Maeng Da kratom dosage. Because of this, those who have used it for this purpose commonly wind up disappointed in a short period of time. Because of the history as well as the effects profile of this unique strain, we suggest everyone buy it at least once in their life.

Edited by Sidestreet, 28 September 2016 - 05:14 PM.
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Posted 15 September 2016 - 03:47 AM

My current 2 kratom plants.
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Rifat:WP_20160914_09_40_01_Pro.jpg
 
I have these in a Martha style greenhouse in the kitchen, with a 14w LED above to supplement some sunlight.WP_20160914_09_25_09_Pro.jpg
 
Currently temperatures have been ranging from 73° low at night, and reaching into the upper 80s during day hours.
 
I directly mist the leaves and wall of greenhouse when the light cycle is done and off for the day. This raises my RH as high as 99% which tapers down to 50-60 by morning. In the morning I will spray the walls to bring RH up again. But I don't spray the leaves during light hours l, as I've noticed small burn holes from the water magnifying the light.
 
Currently the LED is providing enough warmth to keep them happy. But I may consider adding some bottom heat via heating pad when winter comes.
 
I have 4 more Rifat clones I hope to arrive next week. Any updates on acquired strains will be posted here. As I hope to get a sizeable collection of strains to play with grafting to produce a kratom with the stimulating yet pain killing qualities I look for.
 
When more seeds arrive, ill be trying various methods of propagation to see what works best.
(not totally controlled experiment as the seeds coming from various sources.. But none the less lets find a good getmination method for these buggers!)
 
Well that's all for now. Gnome will update as they come.
 
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Posted 15 September 2016 - 05:40 AM

My current seedlings were top sown, with a very light sprinkle of coir on top. I will be misting the substrate and humidity dome daily for the next week.

 

I also have been watering my cuttings every day, every 3rd day I feed them a high nitrogen fertilizer.

 

The bumble bee arrived to me in a sad condition. Having lost all it's leaves on one side leaving just 2 leaves intact.

Since, the bumble bee has grown 2 new tiny leaves, but hasn't shown too much growth yet (3 weeks into ownership)

The rifat arrived in excellent condition. With many leaves and shoots. Since in my possession, it's dropped 3 leaves and grown 6 more.

I'm eager for my newest plants to arrive to get them all situated into their new home.

I plan to house my 6 cuttings in this Martha style greenhouse for 2-3 years until theyve outgrown it. I then plan to invest in a 8'x8' heated outdoors  greenhouse to permanently house them. 


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Posted 15 September 2016 - 01:13 PM

I send good vibes to your garden Gnome. You are saving medicine plants for humanity. I salute  you.


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Posted 15 September 2016 - 07:27 PM

Good grow vibes your way. I'll be following along closely. For I'm now on yhe great Kratom quest as you already know. Right now I'm just getting them established as house plants and will eventually (this fall/winter) start taking this growing quest more seriously with time is avaliable.

Out of curiosity how many plants do you need to cultivate to keep 1 person supplied with medicine for his or her needs. I know this question will very as per how much the patient doses, but on average do you know roughly the yield one would expect to be able to harvest? Is it a feasible quest to cultivate this plant for personal medical use?

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Posted 15 September 2016 - 10:22 PM

Good grow vibes your way. I'll be following along closely. For I'm now on yhe great Kratom quest as you already know. Right now I'm just getting them established as house plants and will eventually (this fall/winter) start taking this growing quest more seriously with time is avaliable.

Out of curiosity how many plants do you need to cultivate to keep 1 person supplied with medicine for his or her needs. I know this question will very as per how much the patient doses, but on average do you know roughly the yield one would expect to be able to harvest? Is it a feasible quest to cultivate this plant for personal medical use?

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I haven't found much information on this. Prior to the ban it certainly seems it was more time and cost effective to buy it bulk from vendors or farmers that can provide the warm humid environment to produce full grown 30m trees.. It's too hard to tell to be honest. I figure if it averages a foot growth a year, (so far I've observed easily 1-2" in 3 weeks.) then a 3 year old plant about 3ft tall maybe 1-1.5' diameter and fair bushy branchs. Then it should be able to withstand a harvest now and then without causing too much stress. It should also drop old leaves time to time that can be harvested as they're dropped. I hope that between my clones and very hopeful few seedlings to be able to produce a daily harvest of 10-20g within 5 years.


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Posted 16 September 2016 - 05:18 AM

Should hold over till gnomes producing

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Posted 20 September 2016 - 07:11 AM

It's a good morning in the gnome home.

 

5 days into germination of Mitragyna Speciosa and were starting to see some sprouts!!

 

Still very small. So here's a close up on a single pot.

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None of the 5 RVT pots have germinated yet, so here's hoping! As currently it's my most desired strain to obtain for future grafts.


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Posted 22 September 2016 - 07:07 AM

Rest of gnomes seed has landed. Boy do I think I over did it..

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Every pot of rifat shows life. No sign of RVT yet.

 

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and the newest set of leaves on rifat clone showed up this morning.

 

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Posted 25 September 2016 - 03:03 AM

This thread is awesome! Great work Gnome... Posting so I can keep an eye on this thread lol
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Posted 25 September 2016 - 09:11 AM

Already more than enough information to encourage me to try growing this specific tropical, with very specific needs like this. My biggest hurdle would not be temperature, but the very low humidity here where I live. Not such a problem for small starters, but how to maintain higher saturations, once the tree begins to gain size,

Nevertheless, this is most valuable reserch and information sharing that is most appreciated Gnome. Thank You !!


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Posted 30 September 2016 - 01:16 AM

Gnomes new additions landed today and got potted up before a long nights work.

 

Left large pot Rifat, middle large pot Super Green Malaysian, right large pot Bumble Bee, Smaller pots are all Pink Vein Indo

 

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rifat seedlings are doing excellent, I believe I may have gotten close to a 70% germ rate.

 

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I have tried another pack of Red Vein Thai seed with no success. Have one more packet to try but I don't have much hope for that particular batch of seed.

 

I've since run out of room in the tiny greenhouse. And plan to buy another larger walk in but indoors greenhouse, ill be complimenting the new greenhouse with a 4' 8bulb T5 grow light.

 

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I'll post some more pics of individual plant varieties tomorrow when I have the time to snap some more pics.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Posted 30 September 2016 - 10:30 AM

Pink Vein Indo

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Bumble Bee

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Rifat

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Posted 30 September 2016 - 01:04 PM

How fast do these guys usually grow? I hear they are pretty prolific. 


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Posted 30 September 2016 - 10:15 PM

I'm not really certain. I'm new to growing this species, but I've observed easily 1-2 inches in the short time I've had them.

 

I think a foot or more a year is very reasonable

How fast do these guys usually grow? I hear they are pretty prolific. 

 


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Posted 07 October 2016 - 03:44 AM

Seedlings are doing well, have them situated under a 45w LED, 6" above the humidity dome that I open to exchange air daily in the morning, seedling heating mat on low, soil temp averaging 81°f.

 

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Pink Vein Indo is starting to take roots. All I did was place the cutting into some organic garden soil, I treated 3/6 with rooting hormone, but haven't noticed it help nor hurt.

 

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Posted 07 October 2016 - 05:49 AM

Do you find that they grow better on the wall like that?  ;)


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Posted 07 October 2016 - 05:54 AM

Do you find that they grow better on the wall like that?  ;)

 

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Posted 10 October 2016 - 12:21 AM

Those plants are looking great... You're definitely a green thumb dude


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 08:06 AM

With the day hours shortening every day. And my increase in number of plants. I've moved the greenhouse into another room and upgraded to a 6 bulb 2' T5 fixture directly in the greenhouse. This should help increase and maintain daylight temps.

 

With my PVI plants still rooting and my other plants having fresh roots. I don't plan to let these go dormant over winter. I'll continue to provide lots of long light, water and love until spring when they will get their first acclimation to outdoors for spring & summer.

 

Here they are basking in their new warm light.

 

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