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#1 Hash_Man

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Posted 05 November 2016 - 01:07 PM

These are from seed are two OG Kush by Dinafem, I've only grew one other kind of Kush (below), and really didn't get a chance to smoke it so I'm very anxious.

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initially, I added too much humics which had its own set of complacations and they did the whole stretchy stem thing and falling over so went out got a 6500k cfl and adding a little silica via Heavy 16 Finish and Prime.

Some people say to keep lite from your roots but I like these see through cups you can see the roots and know how far along and healthy they are.
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So I did repot today Fox farm Ocean forest and a 1/4 Promix, oh and extra perlite.
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Note: the last image above led I'm using for veg is compliments of Cue, thanks bro. (Who says he's lazy?)

Edited by Hash_Man, 05 November 2016 - 01:12 PM.

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Posted 05 November 2016 - 11:48 PM

Looking good Hashman. I like th fox farms ocean dirt too. Do you think that if your soil is a good quality do you need to further supplement your plants?
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Posted 06 November 2016 - 08:09 AM

".. Do you think that if your soil is a good quality do you need to further supplement your plants?"

it's been done, but not in the size pots I use . . I think we need to supplement as we're growing plants that normally go through 9 months or more to finish and we are trying do it in less than half that time. In nature the roots can expand and source more nutrient. What is in pots that's all they get. I personally feel we are their embasador to give what they are lacking.

Edit: if you want to reap nice flowers your plants must receive better amounts of Calcium and Magnesium throughout their life cycle we really have to supplement specially towards the end as even a good bag soil will get depleted. I believe you might loose flavor and sweetness there are supplements derived from high quality source materials . . so yea, why not take advantage of that.

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Posted 07 November 2016 - 07:30 PM

I'm relatively new to growing. I am using Dyna Grow foliage grow and bloom and use it about every third time I water. The last two plants plants I've harvested both have an earthy aroma, one blueberry and the other is some mystery sativa. I have two more of these mystery sativa almost ready. I've been replacing the Dyna grow for molasses infused water. About a teaspoon to a gal of h2o. I read that you should stop the additives the last couple of weeks before harvest.
I guess I am hoping to sweeten them up.
Maybe I'm being too stingy with the supplements..
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Posted 08 November 2016 - 02:43 PM

I have forgot more than I used to know. I stop adding nutes and stuff the last 2 weeks.

Molasses  helps feed the microbes in the soil.

I have used molasses on occasion through out  the grow cycle.

I may be of no help but I can tell everyone that adding  humic acids in flower will cause a charcoal taste.

LakeGal the person I learned the most from years ago used dyna gro



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Posted 08 November 2016 - 05:03 PM

Heirloom, you are a master grower, and you Input is always appreciated

Maybe i need to add more nutritrients and bump it up to every other watering. Everything I've read
says give about 1/2 of what's being directed, so I've been hesitant to add too much.

Hashman, I don't know what's what but I think that is cool that you grew your babies in
a clear cup so you could see the roots. Never thought about doing that but have done plenty of imagining
on what's going on under the surface
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#7 Hash_Man

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Posted 08 November 2016 - 06:50 PM

My advise is if you don't know where to start, pick a nutrient line and use their supplements. Follow recommdations on the low side of their guidelines and your own intuition will help you if need to increase.


Update: The baby's today

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Theres more here than meets eye, using SuperCropping to manipulate lower growth I think I got some branching started so they don't get to far behind
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Here they are a few days ago after I bent and squeeze them forcing lower growth, I'm looking to get them all a uniform height. This was done at the same time they were transplanted.
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Edited by Hash_Man, 08 November 2016 - 07:08 PM.

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Posted 09 November 2016 - 10:45 AM

LakeGal I don't think I am a master grower. I forgot so much, I get by.

Hash what can you tell us about OG Kush, I thought it was a clone only variety, and yet I see seeds for sale .
I even bought some myself.

EDIT - I am much better with hydro than I am with soil or coir.


Edited by Heirloom Spores, 09 November 2016 - 11:08 AM.


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Posted 09 November 2016 - 01:00 PM

I find clear cups useful for cloning. I also am a fan of cloning in a container of water with an aquarium pump - water cloning.


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Posted 09 November 2016 - 02:15 PM

Cool bro, yea

Hash what can you tell us about OG Kush, I thought it was a clone only variety, and yet I see seeds for sale .
I even bought some myself....

Yea it is clone only, but these are Dinafems breeding that I've heard good things about . .

Edit: Best I can figure it's original OG breed to a distant cousin emerald OG Kush which is an indica dominant hybrid of fire OG, anyway it's supose to be similar to the original OG Kush, it may sound weird but I like that dank chemical fuel smell : )

Edited by Hash_Man, 09 November 2016 - 04:35 PM.

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Posted 10 November 2016 - 07:05 PM

Hashman, could you explain what Dinafem breeding is
Also a dumb down version of super cropping explanation.

I'm trying my hand at low stress growing. I broke one of my plants by being too ruff. I'm still so pissed off at myself
over that. Maybe it's all for the best because my three remaining plants are growing crazy big. Still pissed though..

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Posted 10 November 2016 - 09:42 PM

Hashman, could you explain what Dinafem breeding is

Also a dumb down version of super cropping explanation.

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Super Cropping is basically just when you pinch and bend at a certain point on the stem or branch and stop growth from that point which increases growth to other areas on the plant. i.e. in the case above I'd like growth more below to get the the lower branches faster near the top of the plant but also incorporated some low stress training 'LST' which is bending branches lower than others to directing more growth to the physically higher nodes

Edited by Hash_Man, 10 November 2016 - 09:53 PM.

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Posted 16 November 2016 - 06:53 AM

Pictures showing to get more branching in veg, via removal of the fan leaf +supercroping works better on clones as they are more genetically geared to branching but also works on seeded plants to a degree, just wanted to share that info

Here I removed the fan leaf only from one side giving a little more growth to that side and assure branching.
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Edited by Hash_Man, 16 November 2016 - 09:14 AM.

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Posted 07 January 2017 - 04:57 PM

So these OG's turned out to be two distinct pheno's so I made them mother plants. Also dicided to go perpetual SOG grow and trying to pull 7-9 clones a week but mama's arn't up to it yet. number one is bushy smells dank a sweet puppy shit smell. #1 20170106_190042-1.jpg number two is like a lemon dank smell, tall and purple stem phenotype. (P.S. this pic was a three weeks ago had to work out my pH problems) #2 20170106_185908.jpg The baby's, 4 tall pots are from 3 weeks ago there's 6 in the small tote are from last week and the one's to the right are today's but I put them in a upside down tote that's pictured last. 20170107_160336.jpg 20170107_160651-1.jpg Here's the mother's today. 20170107_160528.jpg Letting them go to 6" or 7" inches then hit the switch to bloom, they'll be in the cab at that point.


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Posted 15 January 2017 - 04:58 PM

Pulled some clones off the mothers both moms showing some mag and a bit Potassium deficiency, this is about a week ago, i pH'd some nute's with a little higher Mag and Potassium and a little epsom salts . . so no clones this week, also lost a couple week old clones from the cat (grrr )

These things sure like their Magnesium . . I was feeding a little lite also, tried to go 1.0 EC when they where normally get 1.4 - 1.5, I wanted to start feeding twice a week but I might go every 4-5 days at maybe 1.4, we'll see.

Last week
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P.S. these are just the mother's their supose to be easy . . Oh well now I know.

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Posted 04 February 2017 - 02:24 PM

Still working out the deficiencies and lost a lot of clones but thought I'd show an update. The mother's worked out their deficiencies rather quick but I really need to keep on top of the plants needs seems I just can't skip a beat with them. I'm now keeping the pH at 6.1 may go 6.2 using 1/2 grow and 1/2 bloom nutes to keep up with their need for little more P and K but that's not so much a problem anymore as their Magnesium so adding a pinch of epsom salts per 8th gallon, on a bright note their roots are good

Note: the drooping is just that they were a bit thrusty and I just feed them also the reason for the krinckly leaves on the clones.

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Posted 04 February 2017 - 02:45 PM

I got my Og from a different vendor but they do need constant attention. I was wondering this morning if they would
perform better in a SOG grow vs. tree grow.

 



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Posted 04 February 2017 - 03:38 PM

I got my Og from a different vendor but they do need constant attention. I was wondering this morning if they would
perform better in a SOG grow vs. tree grow.

I would say so Heirlooms, most these are 3" tall plants, in 7-1/2" X 2-1/4" wide pot, I'm looking to flower at 8" and shooting to get 3-5 main branches ea. yes it's going to be tight but they all won't be touching . . but it will be close.
For me the tricky part is to produce as many internodes before they get 8" and also to keep more clones coming
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Posted 11 February 2017 - 05:27 PM

Hash man, your plants looks nice and healthy
I was contemplating mixing my nutes veg/bloom to my
2 plants I recently put in my flower tent.
It seems that when I change my plants to bloom cycle
the first couple of weeks I get a few fan leaves displaying
( I think ) mag. Deficiencies. I will also add a pinch of
Epsom salts as well.
Seeing you do this mix your nutes has given me a bit of confidence
to try this.
Do you feed this mix one or two times, or for a longer time period?
My p.h. Is consistently at 7. I thought this was a good range, but after reading
your forum, I'm wondering if I need to adjust this.

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 06:30 PM

Hey lakegal7,
I tried the 50/50 veg & bloom in that I thought my plants were eating up their nutes which was not the case I found out today, so maybe I'm going to give you the long but better answer, by telling what happened
When I went to the grow store to get some perlite and thought to bring my pH/EC meter to calibrate which they do for free it not that I can't calibrate my meter, I was completely out of sulution.

Had to buy new pH meter
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so my meter was 1.0 over what it should be, what happened when I thought I was adjusting to 6.1 or 6.2 I was actually adjusting to 5.1! way low for my substrate, on top of the that it was as low as it was able to calibrate and i had to buy a new meter. . So I hope you understand that low of pH the Calcium and Phosphorus is locked out also, that was my problem all along . . so the moral of the story is calibrate your equipment.

Lakegal7 without knowing what nutrients your using Id say just that bit extra of the epsom salts youve been adding should be fine. I'm pretty sure your in soil so 7.0 is still in range a little on the high side I've read most Mag deficiencies is because of pH. 6.5 - 7.0 for soil some guys say a little lower is ok to, hope this answered or helped.

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