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#41 Heirloom Spores

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Posted 20 January 2017 - 05:06 PM

A few pics of PSI  Cyans  on cardboard, I took today.

Maybe I will walk out to my beds and see if I can get a pic of colonized wood in the winter,
we just went through an ice storm. The ground looked like glass.

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Posted 20 January 2017 - 05:06 PM

I was much the same after using the card SAB, you tend to want to upgrade. It's a good starter though.

The ultimate winner was a flowbox, that blew downwards, high burst or varied flow.

 

Pretty much a SAB with a flowhood combined to be honest.


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Posted 21 January 2017 - 04:51 AM

OK here are my pictures for your viewing pleasure. Like I said I won't open the lids to clean up these because I think they will just jump into my face, esp. the anthrax.
 
I think this is some weird mold. But why so flat, and why not green even at that huge size?
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This I call anthrax. Bacterial contam yes?
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Anthrax?
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Bacillus anthracis var. amorphosa
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Mold! Hello! As proud as you are, you're not welcome!
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This? What's this? Why so white? I think it's gonna be mold. But why so white?
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This? What's this? Why so white? I think it's gonna be mold. But why so white? (Same as the other pic)
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Posted 21 January 2017 - 09:16 AM

Looks like a lot of mold/s but not necessarily? Inky cap myc looks like that methinks, still not desirable but I don't know.

 

What I do know is one can construct an SAB out of a sterlite bin for about  $16-20 (US) that works like a dream. It does take time to build the muscle memory to work inside of one, but then it's smooth sailing. I haven't had an airborne contaminated agar dish in over a year whereas I used to get yeasts and bacterial contaminations in each use when I first started.

 

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Posted 21 January 2017 - 09:20 AM

I do have some doubts about the last two pix (which is the same dish). For a couple reasons. (1) too white to be ugly mold- -- the rest was off-white, and (2) too fluffy instead of "powdery", and (3) because at this size the obvious molds have already turned green.

 

It was meant to be azurescens. Dry spores on agar. Spores were quite clumped. Can it possibly be azurescens and not mold, starting out like that? Like I posted in the other thread -- I have no idea how it looks like when very young.


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Posted 21 January 2017 - 09:24 AM

I do have some doubts about the last two pix (which is the same dish). For a couple reasons. (1) too white to be ugly mold- -- the rest was off-white, and (2) too fluffy instead of "powdery", and (3) because at this size the obvious molds have already turned green.

 

Powdery usually means bread mold/trichoderma IME.

 

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Posted 21 January 2017 - 09:27 AM

The last two pix are not powdery. At least not like the rest of the mold pix I posted. 



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Posted 21 January 2017 - 09:28 AM

They're like baby husky fur.


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Posted 21 January 2017 - 09:36 AM

None of them look promising but I don't have a ton of woodlover on agar experience. If you're growing what you call "anthrax" on agar, why are you adverse to growing cubensis in say a shoe box? Or better yet, pans.


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Posted 21 January 2017 - 09:39 AM

None of them look promising but I don't have a ton of woodlover on agar experience. If you're growing what you call "anthrax" on agar, why are you adverse to growing cubensis in say a shoe box? Or better yet, pans.

 

Several reasons. (1) Potency. I generally use libs. Cubes are much, much weaker in potency so I'd need much more of them. Since I like 4-5 grams of libs, I'd need like 12-15 grams of cubes. That'd make me puke. (2) Cubes don't keep well dried. (3) I don't want to grow anything indoors in the long run. I want to shove them outside as soon as I can. Anthrax was just a joke. But it's slimy so I'm assuming something bacterial.



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Posted 21 January 2017 - 09:41 AM

I also want to naturalize them here.


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Posted 21 January 2017 - 09:44 AM

To understand, it started out like this. I didn't want to grow really anything. I'm fine with the libs that I can pick pretty much everywhere here. And Nordic libs are potent. Only azures are said to be nearly or about as potent as Nordic libs. 

 

But someone talked me into maybe growing some azures. I read up on it and I figured I'd like to try. 



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Posted 21 January 2017 - 09:50 AM

 

None of them look promising but I don't have a ton of woodlover on agar experience. If you're growing what you call "anthrax" on agar, why are you adverse to growing cubensis in say a shoe box? Or better yet, pans.

 

Several reasons. (1) Potency. I generally use libs. Cubes are much, much weaker in potency so I'd need much more of them. Since I like 4-5 grams of libs, I'd need like 12-15 grams of cubes. That'd make me puke. (2) Cubes don't keep well dried. (3) I don't want to grow anything indoors in the long run. I want to shove them outside as soon as I can. Anthrax was just a joke. But it's slimy so I'm assuming something bacterial.

 

 

I ate 2g of pans on my birthday and tripped for 8+ hours with visuals that were so intense I could barely walk because I couldn't see "reality".

 

Storing any dried mushrooms is easy for long term IMO/E, remove all moisture, remove o2,  keep out of UV light and they'll last indefinitely.

 

At any rate, growing any species requires sound clean work, practice, and patience, even more so with woodlovers IMO. I know several people who have extensive cultivation skills who still have problems with woodlovers. Personally I can fall ass backwards into growing historically stubborn species (pioppinos, cordyceps militaris, etc) but this is what I do, it still took patience and the honing of clean work skills.


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Posted 21 January 2017 - 09:51 AM

To understand, it started out like this. I didn't want to grow really anything. I'm fine with the libs that I can pick pretty much everywhere here. And Nordic libs are potent. Only azures are said to be nearly or about as potent as Nordic libs. 

 

But someone talked me into maybe growing some azures. I read up on it and I figured I'd like to try. 

 

 

Too bad there's no LSD tree. :biggrin:


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Posted 21 January 2017 - 09:54 AM

What I meant by "not keeping well" is the psilocin/psilocybin content. More of it breaks down already by the time you dry it so I'd need even more of them to have the equivalent of a 5g lib trip. By the way I don't ever attempt to walk on libs; I lie in bed, on my back, and I'm pretty much in outer space every time. However no matter how much I take, it never lasts longer than 4, or at most 5 hours. Six hours later I can go to sleep... My metabolism...

 

I'd still try the wood lovers. I'm a passionate person. The more I kept reading and the more pictures I saw the more I went from "why in the world would I grow anything" to falling in  :wub:  with the WLs. So now I want to grow them. 


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Posted 21 January 2017 - 11:01 AM

There are definitely "things" that look like mycelium there....I see hyphae in many of them..........the key is of course to isolate (as in which one do I grab for transfer) Now we're into the "meat and potatoes" of this work............... This is definitely the reason I use the same streaking pattern all the time on agar. At least until transferring small (as in very small) wedges of the substrate to additional plates.............. 


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Posted 21 January 2017 - 11:03 AM

Are you saying the anthrax clump won't jump at me, tap my mouth and kill me if I open the lid?



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Posted 21 January 2017 - 11:21 AM

Are you saying the anthrax clump won't jump at me, tap my mouth and kill me if I open the lid?

No....I'm not saying that....... :cool:  .........I don't know what those are yet and would treat them as such..........when "things" grow outside of my streaking patterns I am quite careful with them.


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Posted 21 January 2017 - 12:17 PM

 

those very white clumps you posted at the end could be something!  Transfer to a clean plate and see what happens.  The first pics you posted definitely look like impostors.

 

Here are some plates of azurescens mycelium I grew earlier this year

 

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Posted 21 January 2017 - 12:43 PM

My clear plastic SAB works great but a flow hood would be easier.


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