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I have several cakes that have not fruited :(


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#21 Dilatedpupils

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 10:47 AM

I mean if I had verm I would have probably dunked just because everyone's advice but I worked with what I got and I'm happy :) I just spray the heck outta them and question: WHAT DOES EVERYONE THINK ABOUT DUNKING IN COLD WATER FOR 24 HOURS EVEN BEFORE THE FIRST FLUSH? To dunk or not to dunk?

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 10:51 AM

Always dunk!!!!!!!!!!!!! makes the first flush so much better


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Posted 12 January 2017 - 10:53 AM

WHAT DOES EVERYONE THINK ABOUT DUNKING IN COLD WATER FOR 24 HOURS EVEN BEFORE THE FIRST FLUSH? To dunk or not to dunk?

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I'm a big fan. The mycelial colony pulls a lot of water from the cake during colonization, replacing it for the future fruit bodies is very wise. The 24hr cold dunk is the perfect amount of time and the cold water inhibits bacterial growth (cold shocking to force fruits is outdated thinking IMHO).

 

Use gloves, be mindful of germs and you'll be good! Go cakes!


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Posted 12 January 2017 - 10:59 AM

I noticed in my current grow that I had absolutely nothing coming from out of the cakes two weeks after birthing and then decided to throw them in a 24 cold water punishment for their unproductive behavior long and behold 4 days later little pins everywhere on all of them coincidental? I think not!

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 11:02 AM

Don't punish them, foster and care for them! They know, trust me. :tinfoil:


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Posted 12 January 2017 - 11:05 AM

they watch you just as you watch them :ph34r:


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Posted 13 January 2017 - 05:00 AM

Understood, it just has seemed that you have posted a few times in different threads, where you come across as saying "don't do cakes, do it this way, cakes are bad bulk is the only way". Which of course is a valid opinion, but I read some of those posts as you were telling people they are doing it the wrong way because it's not the way you prefer. Thus my comment of bad and wrong advice. Some very great and seasoned cultivators grow cakes exclusively, and that's perfectly fine. Some, like me, didn't start with cakes and use whole grain exclusively. There is no right or wrong way IMO. But I promise you this, I wish I had started with cakes when I was a newb after throwing away dozens of bacterial grain jars and frustratedly starting over until I got the hang of the moisture content, sterile tek, etc. But that's just me.


  NO jars , no perlite, no vermiculite , no fans, no nothing!!

So do you use bags or pp5 containers in place of jars for spawn?



No bashing at all ...Just pointing out that it is much easier to go with grains and a pc  and some dung .  Why take so many steps and not hardly even get there?

There are more steps in the way you are talking about.
1 Prepare grain for sterilization (Prep or no prep)
2 Sterilize grain
3 Inoculate grain
4 Prepare dung
5 Pasteurize or sterilize dung
6 Spawn
7 Colonize
8 Fruit

Cakes:
1 Prepare
2 Sterilize
3 Inoculate
4 Fruit

No one will argue the fact that one can take 1 jar of colonized grain or 1 cake and exponentially multiply the amount of fruit on bulk verses fruiting cake style. However, for some people, cakes are perfect for them. I.e. they don't want to bother with the added steps, it fits their style of growing, stealth, don't need that much for personal use, just love cakes in general, etc.

And yes verm is not required for some dung. But some poo tends to get very muddy and matted after brought to feild capicity. Even the h-poo I use can get muddy in sections. This is why verm helps so much as well as providing for even better moisture retention. Not required, but highly recommended.
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Posted 13 January 2017 - 09:26 PM

Update, they've been doing great just thought I'd drop a picture for peeping eyes one of them is kind of blue from a little rough handling


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Posted 14 January 2017 - 05:18 PM

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Posted 14 January 2017 - 05:37 PM

I think the fungi are laughing at us silly humans.................. :biggrin:

 

There are so many ways to get this done. Some folks are cakes, others bulk in trays, tubs, bags, and etc.etc, and some will press inoculated substrate into dense pucks inside whatever containers are available. Some just do invitro and others build massive beds outside..................many combinations of the above work too. Find a technique that works for you AND the fungi.....and build upon it. It would  be kinda tough to argue with the last photo here................ :wub:

 

PF tech is brilliant, an excellent introduction to the hobby, and skill set enhancing............and I've seen it produce beyond expectations. Nice job!

 

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Posted 14 January 2017 - 08:29 PM

The PF Tek is arguably the most important development in mycology in the last 25 years.  It completely democratizes cultivation so that almost anyone can grow a crop with just a little bit of information--and that is revolutionary. 


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